Lehman brothers, rumors

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It feels like BSC, it smells like BSC, it tastes like BSC may be it is tatally like BSC. Hmm, good that we didn't step in it. :lol:

What can the feds do to prevent a potential "bank run" on LEH in the coming days? Should they start buying MBS now with our money? Should they start de-privitazing / nationalizing the banks? :mrgreen:
Welcome to capitalism, where our banks are nationalized. Nooo, we didn't want them to be sold to foriegners of course.
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I am not sure if these numbers below are true - the link to SEC site is a myth, but someone wrote this


"Lehman keeps telling the marketplace that they have a ton of liquidity, and they have stress tested their balance sheet when market conditions seize up. But can anybody read their balance sheet?

We can read a 10-K, and we can look at Lehman's Level III assets. Here's what Lehman has to say about their Level III assets:

Level III – Inputs reflect management’s best estimate of what market participants would use in pricing the asset or liability at the measurement date. Consideration is given to the risk inherent in the valuation technique and the risk inherent in the inputs to the model.

Remember assets that are marked-to-market are Level I. Mark-to-model is Level II. Mark-to-myth is Level III.

Anyone wonder how Lehman is doing with their mortgage and asset backed assets that are marked Level III? They've been accumulating them! Maybe they are "hoarding" them because Lehman feels they cannot trust the market's judgement of it's value, or the opportunity they represent.
Look at these figures from the 10-K.

On December 1, 2006, Lehman had $8.575 billion in Level III mortgage and asset backed positions.

On February 28, 2007, Lehman had $11.157 billion in these Level III positions.

On May 31, 2007, Lehman had $12.876 billion in these Level III positions.

On August 31, 2007 Lehman had $23.791 billion in these Level III positions.

On November 30, 2007 Lehman had $25.194 billion in these Level III positions. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/8...

And that's the Lehman story. It's the steady accumulation of assets in the mark-to-myth category. "
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Hoochin wrote:It feels like BSC, it smells like BSC, it tastes like BSC may be it is tatally like BSC.
У LEH book value гораздо-гораздо больше, чем у BSC, и, исходя из fundamentals, я бы их не шортил. Но, как говорится, если кто-то считает, что компания недооценена, то это не означает, что она не упадет до самого дна. К тому же, их теперяшней book value (а особенно goodwill) я бы не особо доверял. :)
...а мы такой компанией, возьмем, да и припремся к Элис!
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У них порядка 98 миллиардов в достаточно ликвидной форме. Это как минимум в 4 раз превышает equity.
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aeoland wrote:У них порядка 98 миллиардов в достаточно ликвидной форме. Это как минимум в 4 раз превышает equity.


И вот они полезли в ету equity... Dilution ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsN ... 331?rpc=44

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