Быть или не Быть..... Лоером

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 11 Jul 2005 17:44

nazar wrote:Thanks, I'll put before the facts.

I need an expert's testimony to establish causation in product liability case. The expert sucks (no publications, no peer reviews). On the other hand, he is qualified and mothodology sounds good. It should pass FRE 702 without any problems, but Fed. Courts in this Circuit still use the "Daubert" test (despite the fact that case was decided before the FRE 702 amendments). Only in America it's possible.

If he sucks, then what makes you think he's qualified as an expert? And what does it mean "methodology sounds good"? It has to be tested and accepted by his peers...

As far as Daubert goes, to the best of my knowledge Rule 702 was amended in 2000 in response to Daubert, and is consistent with both Daubert and Kumho Tire. All Daubert test does is charges the judge with responsibility of a gatekeeper and provides a practical way of applying the Rule 702 requirements.

I've had lots of fun writing Daubert briefs in the last few years, and must tell you there's lots that can be done to challenge the admissibility of expert testimony even when his or her regalia is solid beyond any doubt. I wonder if you should try and find an expert that is more challenge-proof in at least that regard.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 11 Jul 2005 20:01

NEVA ... Thanx for your comments. I have just finished my first year in law school, thus my knowledge is very limited about this topic. Please read through my analysis.

That’s how I imagine the process of the admission of expert testimony

1.Primary authority – FRE 702 where 3 elements must be satisfied
2.FRE 401 – some probative value + establish element of the cause of action
3.FRE 403 weighing – (more reliable = higher probative value)
4.Daubert test for reliability
5.FRE 901 for foundation

Please point out the flaws in my reasoning.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 11 Jul 2005 21:09

Are you talking about the brief concerning the admission of expert testimony? If so, you don't need your nos. 2,3 and 5. What you need is to state Rule 702 and Daubert, find case law in your jurisdiction that applies them, and delineate how your expert satisfies the criteria set therein and how he is like all those other experts that have been admitted in those cases. That's it.

P.S. I still don't understand why you won't ask these questions of the partner who is supervising this case. After all, I'm not all that experienced myself, and can provide you incorrect advice.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 12 Jul 2005 14:58

K sojaleniyu ne mogy zadavat' mnogo voprosov. Snimyt s dela. Menya nikto tyda ne zval, ya sam naprosilsa, tak chto pridetsa vikrychivatsa poka ne naychys'.

Esli moi voprosi - nazoilivi, please let me know. I'll stop. Prosto ochen' xochetsa stat' xoroshim yuristom, a eto mnogo raboti. A bez trenera (xoroshego) - trydno, da i ne xochetsa bit' samoychkoy.

Tak chto ya bery lyubyyu raboty kotoraya pod ryki popadaetsa (for free) :mrgreen:

esli eto ne immigration.

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 12 Jul 2005 15:21

You sound very strange. I think you are much more likely to be removed from the case if you write a memo filled with innacurate statements. Noone expects a law student to know anything. You should not feel bad about asking other associates and partners on the case.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 12 Jul 2005 15:26

I agree. Besides, in order to become a good lawyer you need a good mentor who would explain to you how to do things the right way. It's highly unlikely that you'd be able to become a good lawyer without any help from someone more experienced.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 12 Jul 2005 15:29

They think that the fact that I was a lawyer in Ukraine, makes me lawyer here. Plus, even in my full-time job my partner hates when I ask questions. There is always same answer: "Read the case/instructions/statute." :pain1:

On a long run I think it is good. In my area, it takes me now aboute 2 days to write an appeal and very rare he makes changes. Also, now I don't need any supervision (but that's only in my area). I know all the controlling cases and how the Federal Court applies them. Different areas, like contracts or torts - :pain1:

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 12 Jul 2005 15:31

NEVA wrote:I agree. Besides, in order to become a good lawyer you need a good mentor who would explain to you how to do things the right way. It's highly unlikely that you'd be able to become a good lawyer without any help from someone more experienced.

That's what I am trying to do !!!!!!!! So far - no luck. I don't give up, sooner or later I will find one

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 12 Jul 2005 15:38

First of all, you have to make sure you don't misrepresent yourself as being a lawyer when you are not. Make sure everyone understands that you are NOT a lawyer in Chicago; you can get in trouble with the BAR otherwise.

Second, even practicing attorneys constantly ask questions. The job of an attorney is not to know everything (that's impossible), but to know enough to be able to find out the rest.

Without supervision, you will %$&^ it up pretty soon. If you partner hates when you ask questions, you need to start looking for a another job.

NEVA · Post by **NEVA** » 12 Jul 2005 15:55

nazar wrote: On a long run I think it is good. In my area, it takes me now aboute 2 days to write an appeal and very rare he makes changes. Also, now I don't need any supervision (but that's only in my area). I know all the controlling cases and how the Federal Court applies them. Different areas, like contracts or torts -

Oh, dear. I can only imagine the quality of those briefs... Sorry, no offense. I've read some of these as a law clerk. That was the funnest part of my job... :wink:

The first two years I worked here (after a one-year clerkship were all I did was write opinions), I could not recognize the briefs I wrote after they've been reviewed by my partners. Last year, the corrections have become more limited, but they are definitely still there. Everything, even the smallest motions in the smallest cases, that I write gets looked at by a partner at least once. Although I realize that some of the smaller firms don't have the same resources we do, I think they can and should provide at least some minimal supervision...

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 12 Jul 2005 16:04

The first line in my resume "Chicago Kent Law School - anticipated date of graduation - Dec. 2006" - so everybody knows that I am not a lawyer here.

My firm is not a big one (four attorneys). One attorney has left, so all her cases now sit on my table. Everyone is constantly busy and has tons of cases too. I don't sign anything and don't provide any advice. I just do the appeals from the beginning to the end and put it on a partner's desk with a note "ready to file." The essence of my job is interpretation of criminal statutes which is incredibly boarding and time consuming. Thus, I don’t see myself doing after the Bar exam.

I think, writting appeals to Seventh Fed Circuit and Board of Immigration Appeals is good line in resume. Because of this job, I learned how to wright in English (couldn't do it year ago). Also, I don't file cases and don't pick up the phone. Most important, this job pays my Mortgage

In my free time, between school and work, I take side jobs.

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 13 Jul 2005 00:25

NEVA wrote:
nazar wrote: On a long run I think it is good. In my area, it takes me now aboute 2 days to write an appeal and very rare he makes changes. Also, now I don't need any supervision (but that's only in my area). I know all the controlling cases and how the Federal Court applies them. Different areas, like contracts or torts -

Oh, dear. I can only imagine the quality of those briefs... Sorry, no offense. I've read some of these as a law clerk. That was the funnest part of my job...

The first two years I worked here (after a one-year clerkship were all I did was write opinions), I could not recognize the briefs I wrote after they've been reviewed by my partners. Last year, the corrections have become more limited, but they are definitely still there. Everything, even the smallest motions in the smallest cases, that I write gets looked at by a partner at least once. Although I realize that some of the smaller firms don't have the same resources we do, I think they can and should provide at least some minimal supervision...

Yup., and btw., it is always easier and more fun to edit another preson's brief than to edit your own. When I was a 2L , I won my law school's moot court competition and as a 3 L my team won the regionals and went to the nationals. One of the requirements for the school to sponsor u s was that we each had to edit about 50 briefs (constitutional law) of 2L moot court competitors. reading and pointing out someone else's silly mistakes was so much fun until you realized that you probabl made the same ones the year before :oops:

same with my job,..after 5 years, I regularly review memos written by summer associates and 1-3 year attorneys..their mistakes are easy to spot but at the same time it's much tougher to spot my own when i write a memo

Irina_23 · Post by **Irina_23** » 18 Jul 2005 02:24

Может кто знает из уже учившихся в Школе права, если студент уже зачислен в Школу или учиться и возникла необходимость переезжать в другой штат, можно как-то перевестить в другое место? Мы сейчас живем в НЙ, но муж говорит, что не исключено ( может и не будет этого, дай Бог ), что нужно будет переезжать в Аризону ) и вопрос этот будет открытым в течение нескольких лет. Вообщем, какие возможны варианты в таком случае?

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 18 Jul 2005 03:05

После первого года можно перевестись в другую школу и закончить учиться там. После второго можно быть Visiting Student в новой школе. Но все это зависит от их желания вас принять.

Irina_23 · Post by **Irina_23** » 18 Jul 2005 03:09

DanielMa wrote: . Но все это зависит от их желания вас принять.

А что влияет на их желание принять студента, его успеваемость, наполненность классов, престижность школы, обстоятельства из-за которых человек вынужден переводиться в другую школу? Я подозреваю, что все не так просто, а то люди бы наверное в Гарварды и подобные школы старались перевестись, так ведь?

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 18 Jul 2005 03:41

Irina_23 wrote:
DanielMa wrote: . Но все это зависит от их желания вас принять.

А что влияет на их желание принять студента, его успеваемость, наполненность классов, престижность школы, обстоятельства из-за которых человек вынужден переводиться в другую школу? Я подозреваю, что все не так просто, а то люди бы наверное в Гарварды и подобные школы старались перевестись, так ведь?

Да, все это влияет. В Гарвард можно перевестись если был самым лучшим студентом в своем классе. Многие так делают. Из Гарварда в University of Arizona перевестись наверно очень просто.

Irina_23 · Post by **Irina_23** » 18 Jul 2005 04:35

Дэниел, спсибо за ответы, вы сейчас в НЙ, как вам там нравится, кстати, или не нравится?

madam Liza · Post by **madam Liza** » 19 Jul 2005 00:59

DanielMa wrote:Но все это зависит от их желания вас принять.

Всё будет зависеть от вашего GPA. Мой муж пытался перевестись, не взяли, им нужен был очень высокий GPA..

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 19 Jul 2005 04:15

Irina_23 wrote:вы сейчас в НЙ, как вам там нравится, кстати, или не нравится?

В NYC, как и везде есть свои плюсы и минусы. Грязь везде мне не нравиться. Отсутствие нормального жилья даже по бешеным ценам тоже не очень нравиться. С другой стороны нравиться изобилие возможностей для проведения времени. Нравиться находиться в центре событий. Но наверно я не буду в NYC задерживаться на долго.

Irina_23 · Post by **Irina_23** » 19 Jul 2005 14:00

Да, НЙ город очень .... своеобразный. Тогда удачи вам, Дэниел, найти хорошую работу в месте, которое будет очень нравится!!!

efika · Post by **efika** » 19 Jul 2005 16:10

Вот собралась эвалуировать дипломы свои, и прочитала что университет требует зарегистрироваться Law School Admission Council LLM Credential Assembly Service for International Applicants
А там такое
Eligibility and Requirements
To be eligible to apply to an LLM program for international students in the United States and Canada, you must have completed, or be in the process of completing, a degree that entitles you to practice law in a country outside of the U.S. or Canada, such as a J.D., LL.B., or an equivalent degree.

You will be required to submit to LSAC your attested documents from the issuing institution or government agency along with English translations if the original documents are not in English. ALL transcripts, mark sheets, degree certificates, etc., MUST be sent directly to LSAC from the issuing institution. LSAC will not accept transcripts issued to you or sent by you even if they are in a sealed envelope. Documents received from any source other than the issuing institution will NOT be processed and will be returned to you. Copies of all foreign educational records must be submitted in the original language. Records not in English must be accompanied by a literal English translation. Translations do not have to be certified, but must be literal (word for word) and the translator must sign the translated copy and include contact information. You may also be required to submit TOEFL® scores.
https://llm.lsac.org/llm/logon/introduction.aspx

Это мне теперь нужно в свои университеты прошения засылать :angry:

Чего то меня терзают сомнения, что там кто то почешется и будет отправлять требуемые документы в США

В принципе нормальное требование, но по моему раньше такого не было чтобы ALL transcripts, mark sheets, degree certificates, etc., MUST be sent directly to LSAC from the issuing institution.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 22 Jul 2005 20:04

Ya god tomy nazad postypil. V LSAC ya ne regestririvalsa :pain1:

Daje v Northwestern International law school graduates - v LSAC ne nado bilo niche podavat'. Ya podal transkripti v WES na evaluation i sdal LSAT. Bol'she niche ne xoteli ot menya. No eto bilo god nazad, kak seichas ... :pain1:

SpartakNY · Post by **SpartakNY** » 22 Jul 2005 20:56

Я не знаю или LSAC требуется везде, но я поступал на JD и это было обязательно. Может что то и изменилось (на Украине) но тогда 4 года назад никто конечно не собирался отвечать ни на какие запросы (причем дважды – первый раз когда на undergraduate поступал). Они все эти запросы аккуратно кладут в личное дело и :beer:

.... сам видел когда прилетал (из спортивного интереса). Я с этим делом разобрался следующим образом
1) Сделал перевод зачетки и послал другу на Украину вместе с required cover from LSAC
2) Он там этот перевод заверил на месте
3) Зашел в ректорат с соотвествующим презентом секретарше :love:

и через несколько минут запечатанный печатью ВУЗа конверт с соответствующей копией зачетки и переводом был готов для отправки в LSAC.
4) Друг пошел и отправил конверт международной почтой :fr:

Подобную операцию я проводил дважды. Некоторые думают что это не совсем by the rule :nono#:

но я так не считаю так как просто заставил свой институт сделать то что они и так должны были сделать, так что full compliance with FCPA :umnik1:

*Анюта* · Post by ***Анюта*** » 23 Jul 2005 05:11

Да я тоже не регестрировалась. Просто сдала ЛСАТ и эвалюировала диплом. Больше школа ничего не требовала.

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 29 Jul 2005 02:05

offtopic,

who's watching "the law firm"--a new reality show on nbc--on right now