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nazar · Post by **nazar** » 29 Jul 2005 14:53

eto nada smotret' tem kto sobiraetsa v yuristi

Chto b syurprizov potom nebilo

madam Liza · Post by **madam Liza** » 30 Jul 2005 06:48

Ура!!! The bar is over..осталось тока дождаться результатов.

*Анюта* · Post by ***Анюта*** » 14 Aug 2005 02:40

Ура! Я сдала вчера MPRE! Вроде мелочь по сравнению с BAR, а все равно приятно.

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 14 Aug 2005 03:37

*Анюта* wrote:Ура! Я сдала вчера MPRE! Вроде мелочь по сравнению с BAR, а все равно приятно.

Поздравлаю!!! Now you are ethically enlightened. Seriously, it's a great feeling,--they don't call it the "min-bar" for nothing --it prepares you for the real thing

А я вчера официально подала 2 шеек нотице--оставляю работы аs an in-house tax counsel на которои была 5 лет, ever since I graduted law school. Я уже больше года мечтала организовать собственную фирму and to get away from tax law. За последние пару месяцев я случаино познакомилась s fellow attorney and it turns out we make perfect partners for a new start-up firm. We should be up and running sometime in September :lol:

I'm very exited but also a little scared--after all, I just gave up the security of a stable paycheck. But, hey, I'm only 29--one way or another I'll find a way not to starve and, if all goes well, be better off than I were as a corporate slave--and more importantly--I now get to be my own boss and work on my own schedule

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 14 Aug 2005 03:39

Btw., I know I've been talking about how much I wanted to leave my job on this forum for months now. But just wanted to let you guys know that i actually did it!!!

madam Liza · Post by **madam Liza** » 14 Aug 2005 13:02

*Анюта* wrote:Ура! Я сдала вчера MPRE! Вроде мелочь по сравнению с BAR, а все равно приятно.

Congrats!! :appl:

madam Liza · Post by **madam Liza** » 14 Aug 2005 13:04

Carina wrote:Btw., I know I've been talking about how much I wanted to leave my job on this forum for months now. But just wanted to let you guys know that i actually did it!!!

Поздравляю, и успехов на новом поприще!!!

Irina_23 · Post by **Irina_23** » 14 Aug 2005 15:28

Мадам Лиза, когда у вас результаты Бара будут известны? Вы, наверное, уже устали ждать

Атюта и Карина, поздравляю!!!

Nanosik · Post by **Nanosik** » 15 Aug 2005 00:09

TO CARINA

А я вчера официально подала 2 шеек нотице--оставляю работы ас ан ин-хоусе...

:appl:

Я отправила тебе e-mail в личку.

madam Liza · Post by **madam Liza** » 15 Aug 2005 22:57

Irina_23 wrote:Мадам Лиза, когда у вас результаты Бара будут известны? Вы, наверное, уже устали ждать

В ноябре только...состояние ожидания конечно самое сложное, но мы плюнули и поехали путешествовать по миру. Вернёмся только к середине сентября и муж начнёт искать работу. Пока что есть одно предложение, мужу оно очень подходит и нравится, но я пока сомневаюсь насчёт места жительства (в очень и очень небольшом городке)...Да и страшно...особенно когда встречаешь на курсах подготовки людей которые уже сдают и пересдают не по первому разу..

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 17 Aug 2005 15:04

Carina,

Pozdravlyayu. Chem zanimatsa bydete? Yje est' est' opredelennaya area ili kak karta lyazhet?

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 17 Aug 2005 21:26

сначала, --family, immigration, а потом--еше will, trusts &estates, real estate, itd. , (в обшем как карта ляжет) :lol:

any words of advise?

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 18 Aug 2005 15:25

Trydno skazat' o Texase, mogy o Chicago skazat'. Tyt naverno legche $$$ zarabotat' tak kak immigrantov s Eastern Europe bol''she milliona. I kak polozheno y "nashix" - kazhdiy xotyabi raz za jizn' kypit dom, razvedetsa, immigriryet i polychit DUI. Tak chto klientyri more.

Esli bydete zanimatsa immigration, osobenno employment-based, vstypite v AILA (www.aila.org). Employment-based immigr. - delo pribil'noe. H-1B - $2000 a raboti na pol dnya tol'ko. PERM - okolo $5000, no poslozhnee. Prostoy adjustment of status - 850 - 1000.

Boss zovet.....potom dopishy

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 18 Aug 2005 17:48

Back to immigration.

Another more interesting area within immigration law is appellate work. Appeals to Board of Immigration Appeals and Federal Circuit Courts are so much fun. First of all, the leagal fees are $4000-6000 which is already nice. Usually, there two types of cases:

The most common issue that generates most of the appeals is whether a certain crime is aggravated felony, or crime against moral turpitude within the meaning of the Immigration and Naturalization Act. Often you will argue absence/presence of the “intent” element of the offence. 90% of it – statutory interpretation. This area is always "gray"

Second, asylum application denials. You should try it at least once. You will not believe your eyes. First of all, credibility of the applicant decides the case, not the strength of your argument. Second, you will not believe how unprepared always government attorneys are. Often, even judge will laugh on their arguments and cross examination style. Most of the time they forget to reserve the right to appeal. Thus, if you win in BIA, that's the end.

As you see, even immigration can generate a substantial cash flow.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 18 Aug 2005 17:51

Samoe glavnoe zabil. GOOD LUCK !!!! VERY HAPPY FOR YOU !!!!! 2-3 years from now - $1,200,000 house (paid off). Get ready

*Анюта* · Post by ***Анюта*** » 24 Aug 2005 04:03

Карина - молодец! Я бы никогда не решилась.

Mogaba · Post by **Mogaba** » 25 Aug 2005 10:13

А мне вот интересно как в USA обстоят дела с областью банкротства? Работаю на Украине как арбитражный управляющий (к России это называется "внешний управляющий" в штатах видимо crisis-manager) лицензия, опыт и прочие радости профессии имеются. Вот интересно смогу ли проявить себя в этой области в штатах? :pain1:

ElaineL · Post by **ElaineL** » 12 Sep 2005 07:02

Как вы думаете поздно или нет поступат в Law School в 33 года? Какои среднии возраст law студентов?

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 15 Sep 2005 15:13

33 - OK, no nada xoroshen'ko podymat' ili stoit igra svech. Nado ychitivat' vse.
V moem klase okolo 20% studentov over 30-38. No bol'shinstvo iz nix ingineri s poryadochnim opitom. Im ochen' legko raboty naiti v patent law. Vrode tol'ko 1 ne nashel summer position v ogromnix firmam, ostal'nie vse imeyut offer na 120,000 +.

Est' mnogo accountantov, i im eto law degree nyjno tol'ko dlya togo chto b partnerami pobistree stat'. Pochti vse s bol'shix firm.

Moi odnokyrsnik, indian guy, poshel v lawschool v 38. Y nego yje bilo 2 Masters v engineering i yje zarabatival 100,000 pered law school. Seichas polychil 6 offers, 5 NY, i 1 v Chicago. Samaya malen'kaya offer 120K + Bonus. Pravda on ychitsa neploxo, top 30%. Kstati, vzyali ego v litigation, xotya i govorit on s akcentom. Bydet li y vas tak je. :pain1:

reshat' vam.

ElaineL · Post by **ElaineL** » 16 Sep 2005 07:35

Назар,

Спасибо!
У меня B.А. in Accounitng and Economics (первое образование from USSR B.S. in Material Science), но опыта не много всего 3 года in public accounting :cry:

.

Такои вопрос: народ о котором вы пишите accountants, они все full time students?[/b]

DanielMa · Post by **DanielMa** » 16 Sep 2005 15:20

If you are 33 now, you will be 36-37 when you start working. I know a lot of people who enter law school at that age. I know people in their 50s. It is never too late, but there will be some limitations and obsticles that you will have to overcome.

You need to understand that you will probably have in excess of 100K in student loans when you graduate and you will be paying them for about 10 years.

You need to understand the difficulty of finding a well-paying job if you go to a lower ranked school.

nazar · Post by **nazar** » 16 Sep 2005 15:52

Daniel Prav, tyt nichego ne dobavish.

2 odnokyrsnikov (ya o accountantax) na evening division. Oba prodoljayut rabotat' full-time chto i ne ydivitel'no. Oni oba v Ernst & Young mid-level managers, odin v consulting, vtoroy v accounting. Voobshe ne poimy chto oni v law school delayut. Daje esli oni popadyt na the best law firm as a lawyers, they'll still make much less than they make now.

Ostal'nie - xalyavshiki, pobrosali raboti i na day division ychatsa. Jivyt na loans.

ingo · Post by **ingo** » 16 Sep 2005 18:17

я знаю 3 женщин, которые поступили после 30 и работают и довольны:

одна поступила в 38, и уже 15 лет имеет свой practice

другая в 36, работает в big law firm, получает 150К (престижная школа)

и ещё одна поступила в 35, имеет свой practice

ElaineL · Post by **ElaineL** » 16 Sep 2005 23:52

Spasibo za info!

Vo nmogih accounting firms JD neobhodim, chto by stat Tax Senior Manager (mozhno konechno Master in Taxation poluchit).

Vot naprimer Delloite requirements:

Cosourcing Tax Senior Manager candidates must have:
• Excellent project management and presentation skills required
• Prior supervisory experience required
• Bachelor's degree in Accounting, Finance or other business related field
• Advanced degree such as MST, JD or LLM preferred.
• CPA preferred.

Carina · Post by **Carina** » 17 Sep 2005 02:33

That's true, as far as I can understand. I had been a tax attorney w/an oil company for 5 years. I have no accounting background but was recently offered a management-level position with Ernst&Young. I personally declined because I'm actually in the process of opening a general practice with a partner but 2 of my co-workers (also lawyers) recently accepted offers w/them. From what I understand, in E&Y and PWC half of senior tax managers are tax lawyers, half are tax accountants

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