Трещина в патио

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Re: Трещина в патио

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Olegus wrote:Не успели сдать дом, а в бетонном патио появилась трещина. Не ужас-ужас что, но змеится тоненьким ручейком фута на три. Похоже, просела земля и бетон не выдержал. Считается ли ето достаточным условием для переделки здесь или такое сплошь и рядом и никто внимание не обращает?


заранее извиняюсь за английский но за неимением времени/навыков печтания по русски пишу как есть.

I am a senior engineer in a company specializing in concrete pavements and slab on the grades (ground) design/evaluation/forensics. what you are describing in your topic is likely a constuction-related problem resulting from the improper cure or improper mix design. These cracks are not due to the settlement for sure. There were no time nor right conditions to cause the settlement. The weight of the slab per inch of ground is not that heavy and is distributed evenly across the slab.

Concrete mixed and placed in the field should be wet-cured for the first 28 days otherwize it will have surface cracks due to excessive shrinkage of the top layer during curing time. the same cracks could show up if there was not enough water in the mix. Usually, these cracks are not deep (about 1/2 inch) and as long as the distance of the concrete between the cracks is less than 12 feet will not open with time. So the contractor is partially right. However I am very surprized that knowing the local conditions he did not do anything to help the curing process.

concrete slabs without reinforcement placed on the grade (ground) will develop cracks across any side that is longer than 15 feet due to temperature differentials between day/night and slab curling phenomenon. to avoid that, a joint should be placed to releave the tention or a proper reinforcement and cure should be used during constuction.
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Do not know can you read Russian, so please bare with my English.
Thanks,osya! Greate post. It really calms me down.
One thing that bothers me is a crack pattern. There is only one crack in my garage floor and it goes from one side of the square to another one, dividing a floor to nearly equal halves. It is not straight of course, but the fact is - it starts from one side , goes through whole floor making funny zigzags and comes to another side. I will check how deep it is and ask local concrete guy for a second opinion.
Do you think , it can be disguised by simply filling it with some cement ?
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Olegus, if you can, post photo of your crack. Please write in Russian if this more convenient.

It is hard to check the depth of the crack without taking a core. It seems that when concrete was curing, its surface was too dry forcing the hadening concrete to shrink and creating a surface tension. The analogy is dry skin in winter time or a soil baked under the sun after a lot of rain. As with a skin, concrete is subjected to the surface tension when it is too dry or is drying very fast and to releive the tension, it cracks (usually starts somewhere on the side, in the middle of the top surface) and follows a pattern through the week spots (your zig-zags). these cracks have tendency to open more in winter time if the size of the slab on any side of the crack is more than 12 feet (12 feet number depends on a climate) so check your slab. if it is less than 12 feet and you live in a climate without harsh winters you should be OK.
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osya wrote:Olegus, if you can, post photo of your crack.
:oops: :lol:
Ржевский, молчать!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D
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OOOO, Xa-xa. Enjoy!
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osya wrote:Olegus, if you can, post photo of your crack. Please write in Russian if this more convenient.


Гараж на 2 машины так что сторона явно больше чем 12 футов. Климат у нас хоть и континентальный, но так как ето все-таки гараж, не думаю, что погодные условия следует учитывать.
Фото всей трещины может не удастся, длинная она а вот избранные моменты можно сделат. Close-ups, так сказать.
(гусарам сопротивляться изо всех сил! :) )
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Olegus, а вы не пробовали найти инспектора( независимого) и получить от него заключение. Если трещина - это деффект конструкции у вас будет основание расторгнуть договор, и вернуть свои деньги( залог). Если инспектор скажет, что все ОК, то будете спать спокойно в новом доме.
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tepa wrote:Olegus, а вы не пробовали найти инспектора( независимого) и получить от него заключение. .

Я дал задание риэлтерше, она должна устроить встречу.
Вот фото трещины в гараже(в аттаче)
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Post by osya »

Olegus, довольно серьезнaя трещина для новой плиты. Пожалуй стоит получить заключение от инспектора насчет "contractors following the specification during construction and curing process"

В практическом плане, трешину надо замазать. Поскольку плита лежит на основании, то ето скорее косметический чем structual defect.

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