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katit wrote:
Slava V wrote:неужели тут нет канистр, которые НЕ позволяют бензину впитывать влагу?


Tут есть лучше. Racing fuel (VP)
Он идет в герметично запечатанных бочках по 5 галлонов и по ~50 галлонов. Поэтому не портится. Цена на 5 галлонов была ~25-30 последний раз я брал.

а мотор, который рассчитан на 87-й бензин его потребляет без последствий?
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Да, без вопросов. Там посмотрел разная тара. 56 галлонов, 30 галлонов...

Да этот бензин и не воняет как с заправки.
Лучше водки — хуже нет! ©
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katit wrote:Да, без вопросов. Там посмотрел разная тара. 56 галлонов, 30 галлонов...

Да этот бензин и не воняет как с заправки.

а где его продают (в МА)? по инету вроде как это дело не купишь...
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На сайте есть дистрибюторы.
Лучше водки — хуже нет! ©
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Народ, извините конечно, ничего личного, но я хотел этот топик отделить от раздувшегося в "Жизни", чтобы тут поделились конкретным опытом пересиживания урагана. Давайте по возможности не руздувать его не относящейся к делу инфой, ОК? Ну и вопросы чтобы по делу.
Slava V, если Вы считаете что этот раздел надо открыть в другом месте, давайте откроем там и перенесем всю полезную инфу туда.
По поводу чувака на крыше затопленного дома - это пока лучше в "Жизнь", вряд ли у кого здесь есть такой опыт. Давайте бум чуть более конкретными, тем более что возможно сюда наведываются приветовцы из ЗОНЫ и ищут конкретного решения своих проблем.
Насчет "палатка vs. шелтер" в урага ответ очевиден :mrgreen:
По поводу палатки если застрял на хайвэе - из двух эвакуаций ни разу такого не видел. Да и вряд ли полиция оставить Вас в палатке около хайвэя на пути урагана. В самом крайнем случае загонят на ближайшую сервис плазу в билдинг, а так как раз спальники пригодятся.

Еще раз про бензин и канистры.
Имеет смысл брать залитые канистры как раз с собой. Потому что полного бака может не хватить в трафике. Хотелось бы узнать у техасцев, оставался ли бензин на хайвэйных заправках? Про остальные и так понятно, их довольно быстро закрывают.
У нас по Florida Turnpike за этим следили, не смотря на просто огромные очереди и более 3 млн. эвакуантов бензин был все время! А по радио уже вовсю трубили что во всех каунти заправки закрыты.
Бензин в канистрах за время урагана не испортится, так что за это не переживайте. Даже за 7-10-15 дней ничего с ним плохого не сделается. А там уже все закончится.

Еще про эвакуацию.
Будьте осторожны, во время долгого stop&go трафика некоторые люди вокруг начинают "сходить с ума", около нас водитель большого трака "не выдержал" и попер по принципу "жираф большой"... Я еле успел отскочить, а на паре машин впереди он разбил зеркала и поцарапал двери. Взывать к полиции в такой ситуации было бесполезно.
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Мне из "опыта" сказать что-то тяжело, так как опыт оказался крайне безболезненным.

Я рада, что у нас газовая плита, а не электрическая, на электрическую уже никогда не поменяю. На газовой можно готовить, даже если отрубили электричество.

Еще полезными оказались бочки и старый дачный способ набирания дождевой воды. Если бы проблемы с электричеством были более длительными, мы бы этой водой начали пользоваться для бытовых нужд.

Да, ещe, когда ездила по окрестностям в поисках "страшных" разрушений, видела, что около некоторых домов валяются не упавшие деревья, а спиленные. Т.е. хозяева заранее позаботились о деревьях, которые могут свалиться на дом.

Средний срок жизни сосны - 30 лет. Во время сильного ветра сосны обычно ломаются как спички посередине.
Остальные старые деревья могут ломаться у основания или могут быть вырваны с корнем.
Срок жизни деревьев мягких пород около 40 лет, это всякие липы, тополя, фруктовые деревья и т.д.
Дубы и пеканы живут пару сотен лет. Если дубам и пеканам больше ста лет - это уже опасно.
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Sanych wrote:
LKa, скопируйте пожалуйста списочек сюда, если нетрудно. Thanks!

Sanych, пожалуйста:
3 Step Disaster Plan

Step 1: Collect disaster supplies

The devastating hurricane Katrina is graphic evidence of
just how disruptive natural disasters can be. Those
affected are without electricity, water, stoves, phone
and even shelter. To be prepared, collect the following
items and store them so that you can find them easily in
an emergency -- but not so easily that you end up raiding
and depleting the supplies without realizing it. Some
people store these items in a section of the basement or
a closet that is used infrequently. Decide what will
work best for you.

* Disaster-supply list
* Bottled water (1 gallon per person per day; three-
day supply ideal)
* Cash (ATM and credit cards may not work or be
accepted by businesses)
* Cell phone (with nonelectrical charger)
* Clothing and underwear
* Contact information (phone numbers of friends and
family)
* Documents (driver's license, passport, birth
certificate, etc.) in a waterproof container
* Dust mask (one per person)
* Eating utensils (plastic or disposable)
* Emergency numbers of local, state, and federal
agencies
* Financial inventory (a list of bank and investment
accounts, mortgages, and loans, including account
numbers and location of original documents)
* First-aid kit (see "Your first-aid kit," below)
* Flashlight with extra batteries
* Food (canned goods and other nonperishable items
that don't require cooking)
* Masking tape, duct tape
* Medical information (list of your medications, any
chronic conditions, and medical history)
* Medications (three-day supply of all daily
medications)
* Paper towels, toilet paper, and sanitary products
* Pet supplies and carrier (include food, water,
leashes, records of shots)
* Plastic sheeting
* Radio (battery-operated) with extra batteries
* Scissors
* Sleeping bags or blankets (one per person)
* Toiletries (soap, toothpaste and toothbrush, etc.)
* Tools (can opener, knife, pliers; a Swiss army knife
may suffice)
* Trash bags

Kits for sale
The American Red Cross sells first-aid kits and
emergency preparedness kits for home use, and a basic
disaster-supply kit especially designed for the
workplace. Order online at www.redcross.org or obtain
through your local Red Cross chapter.

Step 2: Create a portable supply kit

In case you have to evacuate your home, it is good to
put the supplies you think you would need the most in a
portable container. Some people try to fit all of the
supplies listed above in a large rolling trashcan with a
lid or a large rolling cooler. Another option is to
store the items in several small coolersor boxes. Think
about what supplies you need, what you can reasonably
carry or store in your car, and how many people will be
available to help you transport the supplies.

Step 3: Develop and practice an emergency plan

All the planning in the world won't do much good if you
don't practice ahead of time. Not only does this enable
you to go through your plan while calm, so you can think
clearly, but it also enables you to fine-tune the plan
before you have to put it into action.

* Identify emergency evacuation routes and shelters in
your community and near your workplace.

* Decide where family members should meet if you are
separated in an emergency.

* Identify a backup location to meet at, in case the
first location is impossible to reach.

* Identify a point-person in the family who will serve
as the central contact to call in case of confusion.

* Choose an out-of-state friend or relative to serve
as a backup contact, in the event that local lines
are tied up or out of service.

* Provide every member of the family with a cell phone
or prepaid phone card to make sure they can make a
call in an emergency.

* Consider family members with special needs while
making plans. (For example, who will help someone in
a wheelchair?) Don't forget your pets, either. (For
example, where can you leave pets if you have to
evacuate to a hotel that does not allow them?)

* Practice the plan at least once a year.

When disaster strikes
* Listen for official news and instructions on what to
do next.

* Communicate with family members according to your
plan.

* If the disaster takes place near your home, follow
instructions on whether to evacuate.

* Check on neighbors, especially those who are elderly
or have young children.

* If you have gas appliances such as a stove or water
heater, smell for gas leaks. Do not light matches,
candles, or turn on electrical switches if you smell
gas. Open windows and doors and leave the house
immediately.

Your first-aid kit
Minor injuries can be treated at home if you have the
right supplies on hand. You can purchase most of these
items at your local pharmacy or supermarket, and then
place them in a sealed container to keep them clean. A
fishing tackle box, for instance, would work well as a
first-aid kit. Remember to store your first-aid kit in a
location you can reach quickly in an emergency.

Wound care
* One roll of absorbent cotton
* Gauze pads (4 inches square)
* Adhesive tape (1 inch and narrower)
* Adhesive bandages in various sizes
* Butterfly bandages to hold gashed skin edges
together
* Wound cleansers (soap, gels, or wipes)

Medications
* Analgesic, such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen (in
adult and child doses) or aspirin (for adult use
only)
* Antihistamine for allergic reactions
* Antiseptic ointment or cream (such as bacitracin or
triple antibiotic ointment)
* Calamine lotion or hydrocortisone cream (1% for
rashes
* Activated charcoal for inadvertent overdoses
* Saline eye drops
* Antacid for stomach upset
* Antidiarrheal medication
* Oral glucose preparation for low blood sugar

Other supplies
* Ace bandages
* Cold/hot packs
* Cotton swabs
* Flashlight
* Scissors and safety pins
* Surgical gloves (disposable)
* Thermometer
* Tweezers


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WEATHERING THE STORM
As a major hurricane, or weather event, approaches, it is vitally important to listen to weather advisories and to be prepared to take action.
Modern weather forecasting provides the opportunity to prepare for a major hurricane days in advance. During this time it is important to: check home emergency supply kits for flashlights (avoid using candles which can be a fire hazard), portable radio and TV, cell phone chargers (especially ones that can be used in an auto to recharge cell phones), extra batteries; adequate food and water for each family members for at least three to five days; get cash (ATM machines can lose power during and after a storm); make arrangements for pets; secure yard items; put up window protection; prepare to evacuate early if instructed to do so.
Follow these tips as the hurricane / coastal storm approaches:
1. If you are traveling, find safe shelter immediately.
2. If you are at home or at work:
o Only stay in a home if you have NOT been ordered to leave. Stay inside a well constructed building.
o In structures, such as a home, examine the building and plan in advance what you will do if winds become strong. Strong winds can produce deadly missiles and structural failure.
o Turn refrigerator to maximum cold and open only when necessary.
o Turn off utilities if told to do so by authorities.
o Turn off propane tanks.
o Unplug major appliances.
o Fill large containers with water.
3. If winds become strong:
o Stay away from windows and doors even if they are covered. Take refuge in a small interior room, closet or hallway.
o Close all interior doors. Secure and brace external doors.
o If you are in a two-story house, go to an interior first-floor room, such as a bathroom or closet.
o If you are in a multiple-story building and away from the water, go to the first or second floors and take refuge in the halls or other interior rooms away from the windows.
o Lie on the floor under a table or another sturdy object.
o Remain indoors during the hurricane. Do not be fooled by the "eye" or the lull that occurs as the storm center moves overhead. The other side of the hurricane "eye" has winds that will rapidly increase and will come from the opposite direction.
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EVACUATION
If an EVACUATION is ordered by local government officials:
• If instructed to leave - do so! The temptation to "tough it out" can put lives at risk - yours and the personnel who may be sent on an otherwise avoidable rescue mission.
• Follow the instructions and advice of local government officials. If you are advised to evacuate, do so promptly. If you are advised to go to a certain location, go there. Do not go anywhere else.
• If certain travel routes are advised, use those routes rather than trying to find short cuts. If you are told to shut off water, gas or electrical service to your home before leaving, do so. Also, find out from the broadcast reports where emergency housing and feeding stations are located, in case you need to use them.
• Leave as soon as officials instruct that you do to avoid being marooned on flooded highways.
• Make certain you have enough fuel for your car.
• As you travel, keep listening to the radio for additional instructions.
• Watch for washed-out roads, earth slides, broken water or sewer mains, loose or downed electrical wires and falling or fallen objects.
• Watch out for areas where rivers or streams may flood suddenly.
• Do not try to cross a stream or pool of water unless you are certain that the water will not be over your knees, or above the middle of the wheels of your car, all the way across. Sometimes the water will hide a bridge or part of a road that has been washed out. If you do decide it is safe to cross, put your car in low gear and drive very slowly to avoid splashing water into your engine and causing it to stop. Also, remember that your brakes may not work well after the car has been in deep water. Try them out a few times when you reach the other side.
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INLAND FLOODING
When you hear "hurricane," think inland flooding:
• Learn your vulnerability to flooding by determining the elevation of your property. Evaluate your insurance coverage; as construction grows around areas, floodplains change. If you are in a flood area, consider what mitigation measure you can do in advance.
• In high flood-prone areas, keep materials on hand like sandbags, plywood, plastic sheeting, plastic garbage bags, lumber, shovels, work boots and gloves. Call your local emergency management office to learn how to construct proper protective measures around your home.
• Be aware of streams, drainage channels and areas known to flood, so you or your evacuation routes are not cut off. If you choose or are told to evacuate, move to a safe area before access is cut off by flood water.
• Monitor local radio / television broadcasts or NOAA Weather Radio.
• Avoid driving into water of unknown depth. Moving water can quickly sweep your vehicle away.
• Restrict children from playing in flooded areas.
• Test drinking water for potability; wells should be pumped out and the water tested before drinking.
• Do not use fresh food that has come in contact with floodwaters. Wash canned goods that come in contact with floodwaters with soap and hot water.
• Stay away from downed power lines.
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AFTER THE STORM
• Remain where you have taken shelter until informed by local authorities that it is safe to leave.
• Keep the radio/television turned on for advice and instructions from local government on where to go for medical care, emergency assistance for housing, clothing and food, as well as other ways in which you can help your family and community recover.
• If possible, advise relatives and friends that you are safe.
• Stay out of the disaster area. Do not sightsee. Sightseeing disrupts essential rescue work and may be dangerous.
• Obey all curfew and emergency orders which are issued.
• If you must drive, use caution. Be aware of road and bridge washouts and storm debris on roadways.
• Avoid loose or dangling wires and report them immediately to the proper authorities. Assume that all downed wires are alive with electricity.
• Report broken sewer or water mains and downed electrical lines.
• Take extra precautions to prevent fire. Lowered pressure in water mains may make firefighting extremely difficult.
• Check for gas leaks. Use a flashlight to inspect for damage. Do not use candles and other open flames indoors.
• Have your electric, gas and water connections checked by professionals before turning them back on.
• Use your emergency supply of water or boil water before using until there is official word that the water is safe.
• Check refrigerated food for spoilage if the power has been off during the storm.

TERMS TO KNOW
By international agreement, tropical cyclone is the general term for all cyclone circulations originating over tropical waters, classified by form and intensity as follows:
• Tropical disturbance: A moving area of thunderstorms in the Tropics that maintains its identity for 24 hours or more. A common phenomenon in the tropics.
• Tropical depression: Rotary circulation at surface, highest constant wind speed 38 miles per hour (33 knots).
• Tropical storm: Distinct rotary circulation, constant wind speed ranges 39-73 miles per hour (34-63 knots).
• Hurricane: Pronounced rotary circulation, constant wind speed of 74 miles per hours (64 knots) or more.
• Small craft cautionary statements. When a tropical cyclone threatens a coastal area, small craft operators are advised to remain in port or not to venture into the open sea.
• Gale Warnings may be issued when winds of 39-54 miles an hour (34-47 knots) are expected.
• Storm Warnings may be issued when winds of 55-73 miles an hour (48-63 knots) are expected. If a hurricane is expected to strike a coastal area, gale or storm warnings will not usually precede hurricane warnings.
• A Hurricane Watch is issued for a coastal area when there is a threat of hurricane conditions within 24-36 hours.
• A Hurricane Warning is issued when hurricane conditions are expected in a specified coastal area in 24 hours or less. Hurricane conditions include winds of 74 miles an hour (64 knots) and/or dangerously high tides and waves. Actions for protection of life and property should begin immediately when the warning is issued.
• Flash Flood Watch means a flash flood is possible in the area; stay alert. Flash Flood Warning means a flash flood is imminent; take immediate action.
• Tornadoes spawned by hurricanes sometimes produce severe damage and casualties. If a tornado is reported in your area, a warning will be issued.
Source: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE , NOAA, National Weather Service
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BE PREPARED
In preparing for the 2004 Hurricane Season, make plans for action:
• Know the hurricane risks in your area. Learn the storm surge history and elevation of your area.
• Learn safe routes inland.
• Learn the location of official shelters.
• Ensure that enough non-perishable food and water supplies are on hand.
• Have at least a one week supply of medications on hand.
• Obtain and store materials, such as plywood, necessary to properly secure your home.
• Clear loose and clogged rain gutters and downspouts.
• Keep trees and shrubbery trimmed of dead wood.
• Review your insurance policy.
• Determine where to move your boat in an emergency.
• Make plans now on what to do with your pets should you be required to evacuate your residence. Public health regulations do not allow pets in public shelters, nor do most hotels/motels allow them.
Individuals with special needs or others requiring more information should contact their County Emergency Management Office.
Family Emergency Supplies
Have these items in your residence ready to use in the event of an emergency:
• Flashlights with extra batteries. Keep flashlights with extra, fresh batteries and keep them beside your bed and in several other locations. Do not use matches.
• Portable radio with extra batteries. Most telephones will be out of order or limited to emergency use. The radio, including NOAA Weather Radio, will be the best source of emergency information.
• First aid kit / first aid skills. Keep your first-aid kit well stocked and in a central location. Take basic first-aid and CPR courses. Keep your skills current.
• Fire extinguisher. Your fire extinguisher should be suitable for all types of fires and should be easily accessible. Teach all family members how to use it.
• Food. Store a three-day supply of food for each person. Items such as canned or dehydrated food, powdered milk and canned juices can be rotated into your daily diet and replenished on a regular basis. Include food for infants or the elderly, snack foods and items such as a non-electric can opener, cooking utensils, paper/plastic plates and plastic utensils.
• Water. Store a 3-day supply of water (one gallon per person per day). Store in air-tight containers and replace them every six months. Keep a disinfectant, such as iodine tablets or chlorine bleach, to purify water, if necessary.
• Extra blankets and clothing may be required to keep warm. Sturdy shoes protect feet from broken glass and debris.
• Alternate cooking source. Store barbecue, charcoal, starter and matches in case utilities are out of service. Do not use these methods of cooking within a confined area.
• Special items for infant, elderly, or disabled family members. Have at least a one week supply of medications and foods for infants and those on special diets.
• Tools. Have a crescent or pipe wrench to turn off gas and water if necessary and know the location of the shut-off valves.
• Important documents should be stored in a waterproof container. Examples: insurance policies, medical records, bank account numbers, Social Security card, etc. Also, checkbook, cash, credit cards, ATM cards.
Family Response Plan
Prepare a plan for your family and loved ones in advance of hazardous weather. You should:
• Contact your local National Weather Service office or Emergency Management office to learn what types of disasters could occur and how you should respond.
• Learn the warning signals and evacuation plans of your communnity.
• Know the Emergency Alert System radio and television stations in your area that will carry official information. Also, monitor NOAA Weather Radio broadcasts, if possible.
• Discuss with family members what they should do in the event of a disaster, such as a hurricane or severe storm. Pick two places to meet: a spot outside your home for an emergency, such as a fire, and a place away from your neighborhood in case you cannot return home.
• Designate an out-of-area friend or relative whom separated family members should call to report their whereabouts. Make certain all family members have the phone number.
• Make a plan now for what to do with your pets if you need to evacuate.
• Check your home and property for potential hazards to see what actions need to be taken to ensure your safety and to protect your belongings.
• Check your insurance coverage. Flood damage is not usually covered by homeowners insurance. Inventory household items with photographs.
• Install safety features in your residence such as smoke detectors and fire extinguishers.
• Know how and when to turn off water, gas and electricity in your home.
• Know where the designated shelters are within your community and how to get to them.
• Determine if your family has any special needs and develop a plan for meeting those needs. For example: If you have a family member on a life-support system, does your electric utility know about it?
• Post emergency telephone numbers by phones.
• Teach all family members, including children, how and when to call 911 or your local EMS phone number.



Financial Preparedness for a Hurricane
• Inventory your household possessions by making a list of everything you own. If you had damage from a storm, this list could help prove the value of your possessions of any that are damaged or destroyed, especially in dealings with your insurance company. It could provide documentation for losses you deduct from your taxes too.
• It’s good to make both a visual and written record of your possessions. You could do this with a camera or videotaping equipment, a computer software program, an inventory booklet from a stationery store, or simply on notebook paper...
• Go from room to room. Describe each item, when you bought it, and how much it cost. Be sure you include items in your attic, basement, closets, and garage. Record model and serial numbers.
• Include less expensive items, such as bath towels and clothes. Their costs add up if you have to replace them. Also note the quality of building materials, particularly for such furnishings as oak doors or expensive plumbing fixtures.


• Photograph the exterior of your home too. Make special note of any improvements, such as a patio, fencing, or outbuildings. Photograph cars, boats, and recreational vehicles.
• Keep careful paperwork on valuables. Make copies of receipts and canceled checks for valuable items. Get professional appraisals of jewelry, artwork and other collectibles. Update the appraisals every two to three years.
• Use an evacuation box. Buy a lockable, durable "evacuation box" to grab in the event of an emergency. Put important papers into the box in sealed, waterproof plastic bags. Store the box where you can get to it easily. If you must evacuate, keep this box with you at all times -- don't leave it in an unattended car.
• Keep some cash on hand. In a major storm, you may need cash, and it might be hard to find merchants who will accept personal checks. A coastal storm can cut electricity, shutting down local ATMs and banks. Keep cash or traveler's checks at home in a place where you can get at it quickly in case of a sudden evacuation.
• Keep careful copies of emergency documents. Safe deposit boxes are invaluable for protecting originals of important papers. Record the location of the originals of all important financial and family documents. Keep the originals in a safe place and store copies elsewhere. Most important, once you have completed your inventory, leave a copy with relatives or friends, and don't leave your only copy at home.
Your financial/confidential preparedness list might include:
• Safe deposit box key.
• Social ecurity numbers of family members, and passports.
• Family records (birth, marriage and death certificates).
• Proofs of ownership or lease of your residence, such as deeds or titles. (This is especially important if you need to apply for disaster assistance.) Identification, registration and license numbers for vehicles, including cars and boats.
• Copies of your auto, renter's, homeowners and flood insurance policies (or policy numbers) and a list of insurance company telephone numbers. (This inventory should be backed up on disk if it is on computer.)


• Photos or video of all valuables for documentation of insurance claim. Negatives for irreplaceable personal photographs.


• A list of bank account, loan, credit card, driver's license and investment account (brokerage and mutual funds) numbers. Securities, deeds and loan numbers including company name, address and telephone numbers (if held directly); also include backups of any computerized financial records.
• The first two pages of the previous year's federal and state income tax returns.


• Copies of important prescriptions for medicines and eyeglasses, and copies of children's immunization records; health, dental, or prescription insurance cards and information; relevant employee benefits documents; and a list of style and serial numbers of medical devices such as pacemakers.
• A small amount of traveler's checks or cash and a few rolls of quarters.


• Will/living trust and letter of instructions.


• A list of emergency contacts that includes doctors, financial
advisors, clergy, reputable repair contractors, and family
members who live outside your area.



Who Is at Risk?
Coastal Areas and Barrier Islands
All Atlantic and Gulf coastal areas are subject to hurricanes or tropical storms. Although rarely struck by hurricanes, parts of the Southwest United States and Pacific Coast suffer heavy rains and floods each year from the remnants of hurricanes spawned off Mexico. Islands, such as Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa, and Puerto Rico, are also subject to hurricanes. During 1993, Guam was battered by five typhoons. Hurricane Iniki struck the island of Kauai, Hawaii, on September 11, 1992, resulting in $1.8 billion damage.
Due to the limited number of evacuation routes, barrier islands are especially vulnerable to hurricanes. People on barrier islands and in vulnerable coastal areas may be asked by local officials to evacuate well in advance of a hurricane landfall. If you are asked to evacuate, do so IMMEDIATELY!
Inland Areas
Hurricanes affect inland areas with high winds, floods, and tornadoes. Listen carefully to local authorities to determine what threats you can expect and take the necessary precautions to protect yourself, your family, and your property.
Camille - August 14-22, 1969: 27 inches of rain in Virginia caused severe flash flooding.
Agnes - June 14-22, 1972: Devastating floods from North Carolina to New York produced many record-breaking river crests. The storm generated 15 tornadoes in Florida and 2 in Georgia.
Hugo- September 10-22, 1989: Wind gusts reached nearly 100 mph as far inland as Charlotte, North Carolina. Hugo sustained hurricane-strength winds until shortly after it passed west of Charlotte.
Andrew- August 16-28, 1992: Damage in the United States is estimated at $25 billion, making Andrew the most expensive hurricane in United States history. Wind gusts in south Florida were estimated to be at least 175 mph.
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The US Hurricane Problem
Population Growth
The United States has a significant hurricane problem. Our shorelines attract large numbers of people. From Maine to Texas, our coastline is filled with new homes, condominium towers, and cities built on sand waiting for the next storm to threaten its residents and their dreams.
There are now some 45 million permanent residents along the hurricane-prone coastline, and the population is still growing. The most rapid growth has been in the sunbelt from Texas through the Carolinas. Florida, where hurricanes are most frequent, leads the nation in new residents. In addition to the permanent residents, the holiday, weekend, and vacation populations swell in some coastal areas 10- to 100-fold.
A large portion of the coastal areas with high population densities are subject to the inundation from the hurricane's storm surge that historically has caused the greatest loss of life and extreme property damage.
Perception of Risk
Over the past several years, the warning system has provided adequate time for people on the barrier islands and the immediate coastline to move inland when hurricanes have threatened. However, it is becoming more difficult to evacuate people from the barrier islands and other coastal areas because roads have not kept pace with the rapid population growth. The problem is further compounded by the fact that 80 to 90 percent of the population now living in hurricane-prone areas have never experienced the core of a "major" hurricane. Many of these people have been through weaker storms. The result is a false impression of a hurricane's damage potential. This often leads to complacency and delayed actions which could result in the loss of many lives.
Frequency of Hurricanes
During the 70's and 80's, major hurricanes striking the United States were less frequent than the previous three decades. With the tremendous increase in population along the high-risk areas of our shorelines, we may not fare as well in the future. This will be especially true when hurricane activity inevitably returns to the frequencies experienced during the 40's through the 60's.
In the final analysis, the only real defense against hurricanes is the informed readiness of your community, your family, and YOU.
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Surveillance and Forecasting
Satellite
Geostationary satellites orbiting the earth at an altitude of about 22,000 miles above the equator provide imagery both day and night. The satellite imagery helps provide estimates of the location, size, and intensity of a storm and its surrounding environment.
Reconnaissance Aircraft
The US Air Force Reserve provides most of the operational reconnaissance. Pilots fly aircraft into the core of a hurricane to measure wind, pressure, temperature, and humidity as well as to provide an accurate location of the center of the hurricane. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also flies aircraft into hurricanes to aid scientists in better understanding these storms and to improve forecast capabilities. The NOAA flights also provide operational support as required.
Radar
When a hurricane gets close to the coast, it is monitored by land-based weather radars. The National Weather Service is currently installing Doppler weather radars across the country which will add new dimensions to hurricane warning capabilities. They will provide detailed information on hurricane wind fields and their changes. Local NWS offices will be able to provide more accurate short-term warnings for floods, tornadoes, and inland high winds.
National Hurricane Center Models
The National Hurricane Center uses several different numerical computer models to aid in forecasting the path, speed, and strength of hurricanes. Data from weather satellite sensors, reconnaissance aircraft, and other sources are fed into these computer models. The National Hurricane Center also has a computer storm surge model. This model provides guidance on storm surge height and the extent of flooding it will cause.
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What To Listen For....
NOAA Weather Radio is the best means to receive warnings from the National Weather Service
The National Weather Service continuously broadcasts updated hurricane advisories that can be received by NOAA Weather Radios sold in many stores. The average range is 40 miles, depending on topography. Your National Weather Service recommends purchasing a radio that has both a battery backup and a tone-alert feature which automatically alerts you when a watch or warning is issued.
• TROPICAL STORM WATCH: Tropical Storm conditions are possible in the specified area of the Watch, usually within 36 hours.
• TROPICAL STORM WARNING: Tropical Storm conditions are expected in the specified area of the Warning, usually within 24 hours.
• HURRICANE WATCH: Hurricane conditions are possible in the specified area of the Watch, usually within 36 hours. During a Hurricane Watch, prepare to take immediate action to protect your family and property in case a Hurricane Warning is issued.
• HURRICANE WARNING: Hurricane conditions are expected in the specified area of the Warning, usually within 24 hours. Complete all storm preparations and evacuate if directed by local officials.
• SHORT TERM WATCHES AND WARNINGS: These provide detailed information on specific hurricane threats, such as tornadoes, floods, and high winds.
Information for Local Decision Makers
• The PUBLIC ADVISORY - issued by the National Hurricane Center provides critical hurricane warning and forecast information.
• The MARINE ADVISORY - issued by the National Hurricane Center provides detailed hurricane track and wind field information.
• The TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE - issued by the National Hurricane Center highlights significant changes in a hurricane that occur between advisories.
• PROBABILITIES OF HURRICANE/TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS - provide a measure of the forecast track accuracy. The probabilities have no relation to tropical cyclone intensity.
• HURRICANE LOCAL STATEMENTS - issued by local National Weather Service offices give greater detail on how the storm will impact your area.
All of the above information must be used to make an informed decision on your risk and what actions should be taken. Remember to listen to your local official's recommendations and to NOAA Weather Radio for the latest hurricane information.
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Personal and Community Preparedness
Before the Hurricane Season
• Know the hurricane risks in your area.
• Learn safe routes inland.
• Learn location of official shelters.
• Ensure that enough non-perishable food and water supplies are on hand.
• Obtain and store materials, such as plywood, necessary to properly secure your home.
• Clear loose and clogged rain gutters and downspouts.
• Keep trees and shrubbery trimmed.
• Review your insurance policy.
Individuals with special needs or others requiring more information should contact their local National Weather Service office, emergency management office, or American Red Cross chapter.
During the Storm
When in a Watch Area...
• Frequently listen to radio, TV, or NOAA Weather Radio for official bulletins of the storm's progress.
• Fuel and service family vehicles.
• Inspect and secure mobile home tie downs.
• Prepare to cover all window and door openings with shutters or other shielding materials.
• Check batteries and stock up on canned food, first aid supplies, drinking water, and medications.
• Prepare to bring inside lawn furniture and other loose, light-weight objects, such as garbage cans, garden tools, etc.
• Have on hand an extra supply of cash.
Plan to evacuate if you...
• Live in a mobile home. They are unsafe in high winds, no matter how well fastened to the ground.
• Live on the coastline, an offshore island, or near a river or a flood plain.
• Live in a high-rise. Hurricane winds are stronger at higher elevations.
When in a Warning Area...
• Closely monitor radio, TV, or NOAA Weather Radio for official bulletins.
• Complete preparation activities, such as putting up storm shutters, storing loose objects, etc.
• Follow instructions issued by local officials. Leave immediately if told to do so!
• If evacuating, leave early (if possible, in daylight). Stay with friends or relatives, at a low-rise inland hotel/motel, or go to a predesignated public shelter outside a flood zone.
• Leave mobile homes in any case.
• Notify neighbors and a family member outside of the warned area of your evacuation plans.
• Put food and water out for a pet if you cannot take it with you. Public health regulations do not allow pets in public shelters, nor do most hotels/motels allow them.
What to bring to a shelter: first-aid kit; medicine; baby food and diapers; cards, games, books; toiletries; battery-powered radio; flashlight (one per person); extra batteries; blankets or sleeping bags; identification, valuable papers (insurance), and cash.
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Reminder! If you ARE told to leave, do so immediately!
If Staying in a Home...
Only stay in a home if you have NOT been ordered to leave. Stay inside a well constructed building. In structures, such as a home, examine the building and plan in advance what you will do if winds become strong. Strong winds can produce deadly missiles and structural failure.
• Turn refrigerator to maximum cold and open only when necessary.
• Turn off utilities if told to do so by authorities.
• Turn off propane tanks.
• Unplug small appliances.
• Fill bathtub and large containers with water for sanitary purposes.
If winds become strong...
• Stay away from windows and doors even if they are covered. Take refuge in a small interior room, closet, or hallway.
• Close all interior doors. Secure and brace external doors.
• If you are in a two-story house, go to an interior first-floor room, such as a bathroom or closet.
• If you are in a multiple-story building and away from the water, go to the first or second floors and take refuge in the halls or other interior rooms away from windows.
• Lie on the floor under a table or another sturdy object.
Be Alert For:
• TORNADOES which often are spawned by hurricanes.
• The calm "EYE" of the storm. After the eye passes, the winds will change direction and quickly return to hurricane force.
After the Storm
• Keep listening to radio, TV, or NOAA Weather Radio.
• Wait until an area is declared safe before entering.
• Roads may be closed for your protection. If you come upon a barricade or a flooded road, turn around and go another way!
• Avoid weakened bridges and washed out roads. Do not drive into flooded areas.
• Stay on firm ground. Moving water only 6 inches deep can sweep you off your feet. Standing water may be electrically charged from under-ground or downed power lines.
• Check gas, water, and electrical lines and appliances for damage.
• Do not drink or prepare food with tap water until you are certain it is not contaminated.
• Avoid using candles and other open flames indoors. Use a flashlight to inspect for damage.
• Use the telephone to report life-threatening emergencies only.
• Be especially cautious if using a chainsaw to cut fallen trees.
Community Preparedness Plans
Each community subject to a hurricane threat should develop its own hurricane safety plan. After you have developed a personal/family safety plan, you may want to find out about your community safety plan. Your local officials should have the most detailed information for your immediate area. Please listen to and follow their recommendations both before, during, and after the storm.
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FAMILY DISASTER PLAN
Families should be prepared for all hazards that could affect their area. NOAA's National Weather Service, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and the American Red Cross urge every family to develop a family disaster plan.
Where will your family be when disaster strikes? They could be anywhere at work, at school, or in the car. How will you find each other? Will you know if your children are safe? Disaster may force you to evacuate your neighborhood or confine you to your home. What would you do if basic services water, gas, electricity or telephones were cut off?
Follow these basic steps to develop a family disaster plan...
I. Gather information about hazards. Contact your local National Weather Service office, emergency management office, and American Red Cross chapter. Find out what type of disasters could occur and how you should respond. Learn your community's warning signals and evacuation plans.

II. Meet with your family to create a plan. Discuss the information you have gathered. Pick two places to meet: a spot outside your home for an emergency, such as fire, and a place away from your neighborhood in case you can't return home. Choose an out-of-state friend as your "family check-in contact" for everyone to call if the family gets separated. Discuss what you would do if advised to evacuate.

III. Implement your plan.
(1) Post emergency telephone numbers by phones;
(2) Install safety features in your house, such as smoke detectors and fire extinguishers;
(3) Inspect your home for potential hazards (such as items that can move, fall, break, or catch fire) and correct them;
(4) Have your family learn basic safety measures, such as CPR and first aid; how to use a fire extinguisher; and how and when to turn off water, gas, and electricity in your home;
(5) Teach children how and when to call 911 or your local Emergency Medical Services number;
(6) Keep enough supplies in your home to meet your needs for at least three days. Assemble a disaster supplies kit with items you may need in case of an evacuation. Store these supplies in sturdy, easy-to-carry containers, such as backpacks or duffle bags. Keep important family documents in a waterproof container. Keep a smaller disaster supplies kit in the trunk of your car.
A Disaster Supplies Kit Should Include:
o A 3-day supply of water (one gallon per person per day) and food that won't spoil
o one change of clothing and footwear per person
o one blanket or sleeping bag per person
o a first-aid kit, including prescription medicines
o emergency tools, including a battery-powered NOAA Weather Radio and a portable radio, flashlight, and plenty of extra batteries
o an extra set of car keys and a credit card or cash
o special items for infant, elderly, or disabled family members.


IV. Practice and maintain your plan. Ask questions to make sure your family remembers meeting places, phone numbers, and safety rules. Conduct drills. Test your smoke detectors monthly and change the batteries two times each year. Test and recharge your fire extinguisher(s) according to manufacturer's instructions. Replace stored water and food every 6 months. Contact your local National Weather Service office, American Red Cross chapter, or local office of emergency management for a copy of "Your Family Disaster Plan" (L-191/ARC4466).


А какие есть линки по долгосрочным и не-долгосрочным прогнозам, включая animation, так чтобы увидеть свою ареа, она под риском или нет?
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Sanych wrote:Канистры - красные пластиковые вполне нормальные, вроде и в жару ничего с ними не происходило. А вот пробки у них нередко фиговые. Лучше заранее проверить. Бензин в багажнике может разлиться если на бок ляжет.

Тонкий резиновый бинт и кусок полиэтилена под пробку и саму канистру в полиэтиленовый мешок запаять. Верьте мне, как старому кавказскому бензовозу :mrgreen:
Мы сеем по всей земле радость, а какие-то сволочи срывают ее и курят!
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Участникам hurricane-party "Wilma" рекомендую опять пройтись по этому топику и хорошо подготовиться :hat: Не забудьте прямо с утра закупить товары и предметы первой необходимости:
1. Пиво
2. Бензин
3. Вода
4. Консервы...
:mrgreen:
Время пока есть. Однако на заправках уже ажиотаж: очереди и Regular остался на примерно одной из трех-четырех заправок.
Naples->West Palm и окрестности, будьте готовы! :beer:
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Защита дома от урагана фанерой (окна и двери).

Начинаем набираться опыта в преддверии непогоды.
Для начала краткий обзор харрикейновых категорий, дабы определиться, остаться или сбежать.

1 категория - ветер 74-95 mph (как раз при скорости >70 mph начинает формироваться "глаз", что отличает шторм от харрикейна). Обычно не вызывает серьезных повреждений в нормальных домах.Повреждает плохо укрепленные мобильные дома (типа сборно-щитовых, далее "карточные домики").

2 категория - 96-110 mph, местами повреждает крыши, двери и окна нормально построенных домов.Серьезно повреждает "карточные домики".

3 категория - 111-130 mph, конструктивные разрушения небольших домов и сарайчиков, оградки/заборчики тоже "портятся" :wink: "Карточные домики" в большинстве своем сильно повреждаются. Жители несколько прибрежных блоков должны эвакуироваться.

4 категория - 131-155 mph, оградки/заборчики в основном улетают в неизвестном направлении, полностью срывает крыши небольших домов, "карточные домики" полностью разрушаются. Наблюдаются обширные повреждения окон и дверей у нормальных домов. Первым этажам зданий расположенных неподалеку от берега приходят кранты... Жителям живущим ближе 6 миль от берега надо эвакуироваться.

5 категория - 155+ mph, большинство жилых и промышленных строений остается полностью без крыш. Некоторые из них разрушаются полностью. Оставшиеся лишаются окон и дверей. Более легкие строения и "карточные домики" просто сдувает нафиг. Первые этажи всех строений на высоте до 15 футов над морем полностью разрушаются. Жители живущие ближе 10 миль от берега эвакуируются...

В общем, до 3-й категории еще можно оставаться в добротных домах, далее это уже напоминает попытки суицида.
В любом случае очень желательно защитить дом от сильного ветра и летающих обломков. Стекла большинства современных домов в наших краях обычно расчитаны на ветра до 145 mph. Однако основная угроза происходит от летающих по ветру обломков крыш, заборов, столбов, деревьев и всякого мусора. Если разбивает стекло, все что внутри помещения просто превращается в кашу, drywalls "растворяются" водой и ветром и превращаюься в белую массу напоминающую суп "Clam Chowder" (спросите откуда я это знаю ;) ).

Потому, независимо, остаетесь Вы или уезжаете, по мере возможности окна и двери лучше закрыть либо специальными шаттерсами, либо металлическими рифлеными пластинами, либо обыкновенной фанерой. По крайней мере сорванная черепица или соседский фонарь ударит не в стекло Вашего окна, а лишь в пластину или фанеру.

Фанера - наиболее дешевый, простой и доступный материал для защиты дома, когда нет ни шаттерсов ни пластин, а ураган уже на подходе. Как говорится, "дешево и сердито", на нем и остановимся. Конечно процедура более трудоемкая чем просто закрыть дорогущие шаттерсы или навесить дорогие пластины, но вполне доступная.

Где брать, что брать, сколько и как довезти.
Обычно в Home Depot или Lowes. Лучше пораньше, чтобы не выстраиваться в очередь и часами ждать пока подвезут следующую партию. Хотя пока Wilma топтала Юкатан, а на наших заправках уже были проблемы с бензином, мы с утра пораньше без проблем затарились в Lowes, примерно за 3 дня с небольшим до харрикейна. У многих еще остались запасы с прошлого года, когда по нам прошлись два харрикейна...
Покупается фанера для sheeting, 3-4 слойная. Стандартный размер обычно 4х8 фута. Ни в коем случае не брать стружечные плиты! Рассыпятся от воды.
Оптимальная толщина - 3/8..1/2 дюйма (10..13 мм). В магазине всегда советуют потолще (и подороже ессно), однако опытные "сидельцы" советуют 3/8 in. как наиболее оптимальный варинт, но не толще полудюймовки.
Вес одного листа примерно 18..23 кг. Цена $16..24 за лист.
Точное количество определяется размерами закрываемых окон-дверей. Ориентировочно дому 3/2/2 потребуется 12..18 листов для полной обшивки дверей и окон, включая гаражное окно. Вот где хорошо иметь одноэтажный дом! :wink:
Крепеж: шурупы. Для CBS домов продаются наборы спецшурупов 3/16" длиной 2 1/4 дюйма ("Tapcon"), набор укомплектован специальным сверлом для бетона. Для деревянных домов можно обойтись традиционными шурупами длиной примерно от 1 3/4 до 2 1/4. Не забудьте надеть на них шайбочки, чтобы головка не утопала.
Это добро должно спокойно поместиться в минивэн с приоткрытым багажником. Похоже что и на вэгоне можно увезти такое количество с открытым багажником, но надо замерить ширину. Там ровно 4 фута.
Перевозить на крыше более 3 листов, думаю, опасно. См. вес выше.

Как нарезать и прикрутить.
Лучше всего для раскроя фанеры использовать ручную циркулярную пилу. Можно купить наиболее дешевую за $25..30, а можно спросить у соседей. Хорошо иметь козелки, на которые можно укладывать фанеру, но можно обойтись и подручными средствами. Затем в готовых фанерных панелях сверлятся отверстия под шурупы, полтора-два фута между отверстиями вполне достаточно.
Если проем не может быть закрыт одной сплошной панелью и ожидаемый ураган категории 3 и более, до установки панелей в месте состыковки сначала рекомендуется прикрутить на проем деревянный брусок по длине шва. И соответственно такие же бруски по краям, на них уже накладывается фанера и прикручивается. Дело в том, что не закрепленные в месте состыковки куски фанеры выгибаются ветром и без брусков могут выдавить стекло. Зазоры по краям пусть не смущают, щиты защищают от удара летающих предметов, а не от воды.
Теперь берем стремянку и вдвоем-втроем навешиваем фанерные панели на окна: один-двое держат и прижимают панель, а другой наживляет пару шурупов. Затем уже в одиночку можно пройтись и вкрутить все шурупы. Если вкручивается в древесину, то никаких проблем, шуруп в дыру и крутим. Если же это concrete, то нужно предварительно просверливать узкую дыру по длине вкрутки шурупа. Сильно затягивать не надо.

Потом фанерные панели можно использовать еще до нескольких раз, только навесить.

Хорошо это все делать совместно с соседями. У многих есть необходимые приспособы, которые облегчают жизнь. Ну и поближе узнаете их :)

Всем удачи :beer: .

А мы ждем Вилму :( ...
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...losses caused by ...Katrina, Rita, or Wilma...are not subject to the $100 or 10%of adjusted gross income limits.
(c) Publication 4492

Те кто попал под один из этих трех харрикейнов, можно в tax return списывать ВСЕ потери вызванные харрикейном БЕЗ ЛИМИТА.Речь идет ессно об itemized deduction (Schedule A).
Все что не было Вам компенсировано FEMA'ой или страховкой, можно списать с таксов.
Предпочтительный метод - получить apraisal от того кто делал это Вам при покупке. Либо клаймить потраченные материалы (доски-краска-цемент-гвозди...) и сделанную кем-то для Вас работу. Приобретенные инструменты клаймить не дают (звонил 1-866-562-5227 "tax issues related to the hurricanes").
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блин, как почитал, так уже ни в какую Флориду переезжать не хочется :sadcry:
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Alex LNE wrote:блин, как почитал, так уже ни в какую Флориду переезжать не хочется :sadcry:
А я вот как телик 9/11 посмотрел... :wink:
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Поздравляю всех с началом Hurricane Season 2006, "первенец" ALBERTO претендует на харрикейн в следующие 12 часов.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/index.shtml
Жителям "счастливых штатов" дружеский ремайндер типа "запасайтесь братцы гробами"(с) :wink: Давайте проверим запасы батареек, питьевой воды и спиртного.
В этом году обещают достаточно высокую активность штормов, обещая
NOAA is predicting 13 to 16 named storms, with eight to 10 becoming hurricanes

однако "славы" 2005 года не ожидается:
In 2005, the Atlantic hurricane season contained a record 28 storms, including 15 hurricanes.

Бум надеяться что этот год не будет таким неприятным как 2004/2005 и страховки сильно не подымутся. :fr:
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Очередная заявка на возможный харрикейн: Tropical Storm CHRIS.
Пока Южная Флорида попадает в возможный конус этого безобразия ориентировочно 1-й категории в грядущее воскресенье-понедельник. Хотя основное направление проходит между Флоридой и Кубой.

Как всегда предлагаю освежить память инфой из этого топика и пополнить запасы крепких и не очень напитков, бензина, воды, спичек, эээ... соли :mrgreen:
Южные Багамы уже готовятся.
Сравнивая с прошлым годом, в июне было 2 тропических шторма против одного в этом году, в июле - 3 тропических шторма и 2 харрикейна 5-й категории против одного тропического шторма в этом (практически не задевшего побережье США).

Тем временем во Флоридских новостях полоскают кризис страховой системы Флориды. Много страховых компаний здесь обанкротились, народу лихорадочно приходится искать новых страховщиков, пока Буш-брат-Буша чего нить не придумает. Если кто из флоридцев сейчас в поисках, я уже второй год просто ищу "homeowners insurance florida" на гугле и делаю реквест на квоты по Homeowners Insurance по линкам первой страницы результатов поиска. "Победитель" по этим квотам для моего location сам связывался со мной. Квоты обычно лучше, чем по Yellow Pages, агентам знакомых и знакомых-моих-знакомых :wink:
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Саныч, Я вот одного не пойму, вспоминая сладкие описания Сан Диего Шелбеком, в споре с Андреем, что Аризона тоже курорт :), почему ежики, колются, плачут, но продолжают жрать кактусы.
на войне только дурак строит долгие планы, на войне есть одна задача - пережить нынешний день
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Вопрос риторический и уже обсуждался. Абсолютного совершенства нет. У кого шторма/харрикейны, у кого-то землетрясения, у кого-то торнадо, у кого-то жара, а у кого-то снега. А так же дорогущее жилье, высокие налоги, пуританская мораль, "сухой закон", жутко дорогая страховка, задница с поиском работы, избыток черных (белых, голубых, красных, "зеленых"...), постоянные дожди, наводнения, лавины, холодное море/океан, запрет на рытье колодцев, обязательная паранжа для женщин или обрезание для мужчин, отсутствие русского магазина... Можно продолжить по желанию.

Возможно для Вас слопать манго, апельсин или инжир с бэкъярда значит "колоться, плакать, но жрать кактус", а мне наоборот :mrgreen: И как не странно, народ в отпуск чаще предпочитают ехать в наши края, чем в Ваши.

Так что же Вам непонятно? :wink:
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А я чего, я ничего. Это ему не слышно (с) попугай Кеша.

Замлетрясения, как показывает практика и у нас случаются, просто что-то уже больно часто различные приклучения случаютса у Вас в последнее время. Как говорится практически не было ни одного спокойного года, что бы .... .
на войне только дурак строит долгие планы, на войне есть одна задача - пережить нынешний день
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Scrooge McDuck wrote:А я чего, я ничего. Это ему не слышно (с) попугай Кеша.

Замлетрясения, как показывает практика и у нас случаются, просто что-то уже больно часто различные приклучения случаютса у Вас в последнее время. Как говорится практически не было ни одного спокойного года, что бы .... .

Ураганы, все-таки, с большей вероятностью предсказывают, чем землятресения...и убежать от них - шанс выше 8)
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"CHRIS SLIGHTLY WEAKER" (с) http://www.nhc.noaa.gov
Вяло однако раскачивается :wink:
Scrooge McDuck wrote:А я чего, я ничего. Это ему не слышно (с) попугай Кеша.

А по делу? :roll: Давайте оставим этот топик для фактов и советов, а слухи типа ОБС пережевывать - открывайте топик в жизни и засоряйте сколько захочется. Сделайте поиск в конце концов, уже трепали эту тему хрен знает сколько. Есть желание - продолжите.
Как говорится практически не было ни одного спокойного года...


...Те, кто выжил в катаклизме,
Пребывают в пессимизме.
Их вчера в стеклянной призме
К нам в больницу привезли,
И один из них, механик,
Рассказал, сбежав от нянек,
Что Бермудский многогранник —
Незакрытый пуп Земли!

"Что там было? Как ты спасся?" —
Каждый лез и приставал.
Но механик только трясся
И чинарики стрелял.
Он то плакал, то смеялся,
То щетинился, как еж...
Он над нами издевался!
Ну, сумасшедший — что возьмешь...

(с) автора думаю помните :wink:
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Sanych wrote:Возможно для Вас слопать манго, апельсин или инжир с бэкъярда значит "колоться, плакать, но жрать кактус", а мне наоборот :mrgreen:


По индейским законам жить возле с мангового дерева - дурная примета :mrgreen:
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Прямо скажем, дует слабо :roll: :mrgreen:
3DD wrote:По индейским законам жить возле с мангового дерева - дурная примета :mrgreen:

Тогда Вам еще приметы:

"...В Стране Дураков есть волшебное поле, - называется Поле Чудес... На этом поле выкопай ямку, скажи три раза: "Крекс, фекс, пекс", положи в ямку золотой, засыпь землей, сверху посыпь солью, полей хорошенько и иди спать. Наутро из ямки вырастет небольшое деревце, на нем вместо листьев будут висеть золотые монеты..."(с) из методов земледелия древних индейцев.

"Если долго смотреть на луну, то можно стать идиотом"(с) индейская военная мудрость

"...Кто уплетет его без соли и без лука,
Тот сильным, смелым, добрым будет - вроде Кука!"
Кому-то под руку попался каменюка -
Метнул, гадюка, - и нету Кука!..
"
(с) из индейской поваренной книги
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Scrooge McDuck wrote:А я чего, я ничего. Это ему не слышно (с) попугай Кеша.

Замлетрясения, как показывает практика и у нас случаются, просто что-то уже больно часто различные приклучения случаютса у Вас в последнее время. Как говорится практически не было ни одного спокойного года, что бы .... .

У нас только в прошлые 2 года 3 урагана прошло, а до этого больше 50 лет(!!!) ничего не было, никаких катаклизмов.. :pain1: . Зато посмотрите, что творится в других штатах сейчас - в Калифорнии 164 человека умерло от жары, еше около 20 в центр.штатах, на северо-востоке шторма с ветром до 80 mph...Так что не надо удивляться, как мы тут "выживаем"...Очень даже ничего себе. :gen1:
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Похоже не стать Крису харрикейном...
А по индейским законам: сдохнуть от жары возле кактуса - хорошая примета :umnik1:
Serenalife, а нам придется давиться мангами, хоть это и нехорошо :pain1:
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Sanych wrote:Serenalife, а нам придется давиться мангами, хоть это и нехорошо :pain1:

С удовольствием! :beer: Тем более, что скоро уже и свои папаи во дворе вырастут и плодоносить начнут :great:

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