Эль Фаллуджа..

[Peace Maker]

Dear Simas,

I feel deeply sorry for what happened in Tajikistan. And the main problem in your country was not opposition between religions, as far as I know... it was due to frictions among tajiks themselves.

Thanks Giod, we did not have such problems in Kazakhstan... I don't know any non-muslim in Kazakhstan who would be hated, discriminated, treated unjustly or killed based on his/her religion...in fact many non-muslims even are returning back to Kazakhstan because religious freedom and economic prosperity. T'fu-t'fu, lizh by ne sglazit' etot process.

And I am repetedly saying that the state and religion should bve separated... no clergy have right to force others to accept any religion. Every type of religion can be lived within framework of the secular constitution. But religion should not be afraid, it should be respected and used to make a peace and security, there should be consultation between secular and religious, muslim and non-muslim... then we will defeiently build truly democratic, proseprous societies where the rights of everybody is observed.

[ts]

Казахстан такая же мусульманская страна как и Россия христианская. Сравнивать ислам в бСССР с арабскими странами и говорить во какие мы толерантные мусульмане некорректно.

[Peace Maker]

Alikev,

Muslims as everybody on the planet Earth do make mistakes, sins and some small number of them do, unfortunately, big sins. They have Koran i sunnu proroka, they know how to follow them. If they don't follow them, that's their problem... many islamic scholars warn them on not commiting sins. But the scholars don't and will never have absolute authority over the muslims who do wrong. Everybody is responsible for himself/herself before God nowadays.

In Christian doctrine, I believe it is the same... John Paul II can not enforce and does not have constitutional rights (from the state of Vatiukan) to punish those catholics who do big sins... Nobody punished Hitler among catholic clergy although he killed how many, huh? hundreds? thousands? No...millions... too much, huh? Or not much to be punished?

I never called shiits non-muslims (mozhete posmotret' vyshe ya pisal o shiitah i o tom chto govoryat sunitskie uchenye o nih), shiits believe in one God.

[Alkiev]

but one thing is very clear in my religion: if I call a person disbeliver, but in actuality he is a believer, than I commit a grieveous sin in front of God, and on the day of judgement that guy will come to me and will claim a lot from me, and will enter into my rights... that's why, as muslims, we are careful.

Как трогательно. Такие чуткие и заботливые люди эти мусульмане. Какое сочуствие к внутреннему миру своих собратьев по вере. А вдруг те, кто берет детей в заложники, а потом хладнокровно их убивает окажется "believer", так ведь потом же в рай не пустят
Любопытное у мусульман представление о рае, как о месте где можно столкнуться с Басаевым и шахидами из бесланской школы
Вот уж точно - религия мира

[Scuba]

Skuba,

Don' trust that site, if wanna learn truth about Islam, learn something sound, something from scietific and academic sources. That site you posted here is a freaking one, it does not serve the purpose of peace, it does not help neigher muslims, no non-muslims. It is just waste of time... in a human history there have allways been insane people, but I presume you are the normal man. Only insane people can make that site.

For instance, 2*2=4. And 1000 sites say that and confirm on that, but why would someone refer to the site which says that 2*2=5? is it logical? If he says it is very logical and instists on it without a proof, than he is insane.What do you think?

PeaceMaker
Copernicus and Galileo were called insane. It turned out they were not.
There are very disturbing facts about the Prophet's life and behavior and if all Muslims are thriving to follow in his footsteps it makes me a little nervous.
Noone is criticizing Muslim's on that site, the way i see is that the author suggests perhaps reform/overhaul/secularization of Islam?

[Peace Maker]

Казахстан такая же мусульманская страна как и Россия христианская. Сравнивать ислам в бСССР с арабскими странами и говорить во какие мы толерантные мусульмане некорректно.

A chto muslimy v Kazahstane tak sebe, da? Tipo oni ne vzryvayut nikogo, sledovatel'no hrenovye oni musul'mane, da? Kstati v srednevekov'e kogda Islam byl v apogee znaniya v massu nesli bol'shinstvo musul'man nearabskogo proihozhdeniya, mnogie kstati vyhody iz Central Asia (Al-Farabi, Avicena, Al-horezmi just to name a few)

There are many good peaceful arab and other muslims, on whom the media don't focus at all... why? because peaceful muslims will not make you a big story, for many they are not big deal... podumaesh mirolubivye musul'mane. Vot ponimayu teroristy - eto kruto, davai-ka ya emu eshe borodu otrasshu, odenu chalmu, v halat 100-letnei davnosti odenu, dam kalashnikov i kameru navedu na nego... vot eto deistvitel'no story budet, i babki ne plohie mozhno sdelat' pri etom. Prichem ne vazhno chto za arab tam byl: muslim, christian, beduin... who cares? as long as he brings money, it is ok, da?

[Peace Maker]

Skuba,

Copernicus and Galileo were not insane, they were good christians.

Don't get nervous, relax man, breeth deeply, nobody forces you to follow our prophet.

[Scuba]

Skuba,

Don't get nervous, relax man, breeth deeply, nobody forces you to follow our prophet.

At least not yet.
I would need a lot of convincing to follow the teachings of someone who at 53 was sexually aroused ( to say the least) by a 9-year old. It is the followers who are not questioning the above facts make me nervous.

[Peace Maker]

Skuba,

Don't get nervous, relax man, breeth deeply, nobody forces you to follow our prophet.

At least not yet.
I would need a lot of convincing to follow the teachings of someone who at 53 was sexually aroused ( to say the least) by a 9-year old. It is the followers who are not questioning the above facts make me nervous.

Why should I question a lie about the prophet? Bring me solid evidence at least of what you say.

[RFK]

Вы правы на 100%. Хомейни, Бин Ладен и пр. узурпировали монополию на "правильный" ислам. Но проблема в том, что в исламском мире нет человека (а если есть, то голос этих людей не слышен), который сказал бы; "Бин Ладен - не мусульманин, а бандит. Басаев - не мусульманин а бандит. Хомейни - не мусульманин а узурпатор нашей религии. Люди, отрезающие заложникам головы в Ираке - не мусульмане, а бандиты. Люди, взрывающие в Тель Авиве автобусы - не мусульмане, а бандиты. Арафат - не мусульманин, а бандит. Люди, захватившие школу в Беслане, не мусульмане а бандиты" Вы, Peace Maker, готовы "подписаться" под моими словами, как мусульманин?

Whoever commits injustice should be punished, I totally agree with you. Islam i terrorizm, po opredeleniyu, vzaimo-iskluchaemy ponyatiya. V Korane govoritsya chto ubyistvo po nespravedlivosti odnogo cheloveka - ravnosil'no ubyistvu vsego chelovechestva. Musul'maninom ne mozhet byt' teroristom, i terorist ne mozhet byt' musul'maninom. Very simple and clear.

However, I don't know what is in the hearts of people including the hearts of muslims who do mistakes, sins and great sins.... Only God knows what is in their hearts... but one thing is very clear in my religion: if I call a person disbeliver, but in actuality he is a believer, than I commit a grieveous sin in front of God, and on the day of judgement that guy will come to me and will claim a lot from me, and will enter into my rights... that's why, as muslims, we are careful.

Видите, Peace Maker, вы даже здесь на форуме не готовы назвать Бин Ладена, Басаева, террористов из Хамаса и Аль Каеды убийцами. Точно так же, как не готовы это сделать сотни миллионов мусульман. Поэтому, давайте поговорим о мирном и толерантном исламе в другой раз, тем более, что эта тема о Фалудже.

[Scuba]

Why should I question a lie about the prophet? Bring me solid evidence at least of what you say.

I am afraid, whatever evidence I might come up with, will not be "solid" enough for you.
However , a search for Mohammed and Aisha might give you the info you are lacking. And please don't call something a "lie" simply because the "truth" is to your disliking.