tau797,
you're mostly wrong here....if you don't trust RB, i advise visit russian avia forums and read what pilots and avia-companies' manager have to say on it.
RB писал(а):
Подробнее спросите и например у Аэрофлота почему из Москвы в Лос Анжелес летает Боинг 767 ER
Да. А почему, кстати? Можете пояснить? Показать, чем Ил-96 хуже?
not only LAX, they stopped it flying to Norths America altogether, reasons:
1. 96 is less fuel efficient.
2. less reliable - there were numerous cases when it lost 1 engine midway in flight. Obviously maintaining full-service 96 facility in any destination in states or canada for ~15 weekly flights to N. America was not financially viable for AFL. On the other hand waiting for repair staff and parts to arrive from Moscow along with reserve aircraft was not viable either. FAA was not happy about frequent aircraft failures in the air either and viewed it not so safe although didn't move to ban it from the sky (effectively ban is enforced by mutual agreement between FAA and AFL now).
3. competition :- 96 is not widely recognized type (or even make) in this part of world, so having it on route was a disadvantage.
Understood?
VladDod писал(а):
А обязать компании покупать неконкурентоспособные машины ... приведет только к иx раззорению.
1. Наши самолеты - вполне конкурентоспособные.
if so, custom duty for A & B has to go and airlines are not to be told what to buy... after all it'll be violation of Russian Constitution for Goverment to force private bisinesses' hands.
regarding Soviet-made aircraft being all arond the world...
(3 times)... submarines were there too, but were there many except Soviet Goverment who paid for that?
AFAIK, most civil aviation crafts were either AFL property (working abroad), presents or long term loans (later written off) purchases of friendly goverment.
the only brake through into the West was YAK-40 certification in states but purchase never came through.
Pratt worked with ILushin on twin-engine 96, after 1-1.5 years and programm stalled (although there were few flights), Pratt took its 2 engines back, wrote off losses and provided valuable experience to others on cooperation with IL (for free); we can now say there would be no 96s with western made engines ever.
BTW, there is quite a sizable Airbus fleet among US air carriers and no prohibitive custom duty on their import to US let alone forcing airlines to buy domestic (B.)
I bet, tau797 got the point but doesn't want to admit it...
btw, as soon as Russia sets foot in WTO those custom duties are due to go, so unless
airprom is ready to compete by then, all support for it now is money gone down the toilet.
P.S. sorry for English...
P.P.S. if even now - with custom + VAT fees > 40% - aviaprom looses competition as Russian companies continue to import aircrafts (not all pay all fees but some pay in full, i.e. VIM for 757, Volga-Dnepr for 747), then nothing more can save it.
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не только потому, что "платят только за то, что выгодно", а по целому комплексу причин... Кстати, правительства западых стран - вплоть до президента США - не гнушаются поддерживать своего отечественного авиапроизводителя
А-а-а ... А я то все думал ... почему у 76-го сxема нехарактерная для Илов? 