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Halliburton Ambush in Iraq Caught on Video
9/21/2006 4:08:00 PM
To: National Desk
Contact: Jim Donahue or Charlie Cray, 202-387-8034, both for HalliburtonWatch
WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- HalliburtonWatch has obtained the first video of an ambush against a Halliburton convoy in Iraq that resulted in the deaths of three truckers who worked for the company's KBR subsidiary.
Watch the video in RealPlayer format by clicking this link... http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/reports/ambush_abb.ram
The video, shot on Sept. 20, 2005 by KBR truck driver Preston Wheeler, shows what initially appears to be a routine convoy of sixteen-wheeler trucks delivering supplies to U.S. troops.
But the convoy enters tiny Iraqi towns along the highway and children begin throwing rocks at the trucks.
KBR's drivers are heard on the radio communicating with each other:
"KBR just took two rocks (on the) right side, no glass broke," one driver reported.
"It's raining rocks," another driver exclaims.
Wheeler, the trucker videotaping the ride, hits a power line above the road. "I took out some of their power lines," he says for the camera. "It'll give them something to fix, won't it?" he asks.
It later becomes apparent that the convoy is on the wrong road because the road map provided by KBR and the military was incorrect.
"We made a wrong turn. Our military took us the wrong way," Wheeler tells his camera. A soldier is heard on the radio saying, "My map is evidently wrong." So, the convoy was forced to turn- around and head back through the same town that greeted the convoy with "raining rocks" only a few minutes earlier. "We're going back through hell," Wheeler laments.
He nervously comments on the danger that awaits him and his fellow truckers by saying, "This is gonna be one good video right here, boy...it's gonna be good."
In 'Iraq for Sale' ( http://www.iraqforsale.org), Robert Greenwald's new film, a widow of one the dead drivers in another convoy massacre in 2004 complained that KBR drivers are not given road maps. Another widow said, "These men went to do the right thing (and) they were totally taken advantage of ... (Halliburton) knew, they knew, that there was more than a good chance that they would be killed." And one of the drivers who survived said, "It's about contracts ... fulfilling the contract and replacing us if we died."
But KBR and the military prepared for troop safety and logistics matters like road maps only after the fall of Baghdad, according to a KBR executive. (See his comments here: http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/troop_safety.html)
Apparently, flawed maps used in Wheeler's convoy played a role in causing the Sept. 20, 2005, massacre.
After the convoy began retracing its route to find the correct road, Wheeler's ominous prediction of imminent danger was proven correct by erupting gunfire and exploding bombs, proving resistance fighters prepared for the convoy's return through the town.
Suddenly, a bomb explodes and a bullet hole is seen in Wheeler's windshield. "God damn, IED on the left side!" he reports to the military on the radio, referring to improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have claimed hundreds of American lives. Small arms fire is heard again. "Jesus Christ!" Wheeler cries. "Help us all, Lord!"
One of the truckers on the radio can be heard saying, "I'm hit, I'm hit!"
As gunfire pounds the convoy, a soldier is heard on the radio confidently saying, "Keep moving guys! Get out of the kill zone!"
Wheeler proclaims "I got it on video, by God!" Again, he says, "God, help us all, Lord!"
Moments later, Wheeler calls for help because enemy fire has forced his truck to stall. In fact, the entire convoy is stalled and taking pot-shots by the resistance. An IED has caused a truck to overturn ahead of Wheeler's truck. "I am down!" Wheeler screams into the radio. Small arms fire continues. "Truck Five cannot move!" he says. "Please help me! I'm taking fire!"
Despite the threat to his life, Wheeler is relatively composed and able to deal with the harrowing situation. He even continues holding the camera and videotaping the unfolding massacre.
As the military fails to offer aid, he angrily screams into the radio for help: "I'm fixing to get killed, God dammit! I cannot move! Truck Five cannot move! Copy? I am getting shot! Someone get their ass back here now, please!"
Other drivers in the crippled convoy can be heard on the radio imploring the military for help and screaming "Gun truck! Gun truck! Gun truck!" But the gun truck fails to arrive.
"Sir, I have no gun back here and... I am by myself," Wheeler, hoping the military will hear his plea, reports into the radio. (KBR employees are forbidden to carry weapons.)
Realizing no help is coming as enemy fire continues, Wheeler narrates for his camera, saying, "You're damn right I'm scared! I'm going home when this shit's done! When this shit's done, I'm fucking out of here!"
As small arms fire intensifies against the truck ahead, Wheeler witnesses the killing of a fellow driver ahead of him. He screams into the radio, "They just killed him! Oh Jesus! Oh, my God!"
The video ends.
Three KBR truck drivers were killed that day. They are Keven Dagit, 42 (in truck 3), of Jefferson, Iowa; Christopher Lem, 40, (in truck 1) of Lyndon Station, Wisconsin; and Sascha Grenner- Case (in truck 4) of Sierra Vista, Arizona. Wheeler, who lives in Arkansas, was shot and barely survived. Two other drivers, including Terry Steward (in truck 2) of Idaho, were also injured.
Halliburton Ambush in Iraq Caught on Video
9/21/2006 4:08:00 PM
To: National Desk
Contact: Jim Donahue or Charlie Cray, 202-387-8034, both for HalliburtonWatch
WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- HalliburtonWatch has obtained the first video of an ambush against a Halliburton convoy in Iraq that resulted in the deaths of three truckers who worked for the company's KBR subsidiary.
Watch the video in RealPlayer format by clicking this link... http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/reports/ambush_abb.ram
The video, shot on Sept. 20, 2005 by KBR truck driver Preston Wheeler, shows what initially appears to be a routine convoy of sixteen-wheeler trucks delivering supplies to U.S. troops.
But the convoy enters tiny Iraqi towns along the highway and children begin throwing rocks at the trucks.
KBR's drivers are heard on the radio communicating with each other:
"KBR just took two rocks (on the) right side, no glass broke," one driver reported.
"It's raining rocks," another driver exclaims.
Wheeler, the trucker videotaping the ride, hits a power line above the road. "I took out some of their power lines," he says for the camera. "It'll give them something to fix, won't it?" he asks.
It later becomes apparent that the convoy is on the wrong road because the road map provided by KBR and the military was incorrect.
"We made a wrong turn. Our military took us the wrong way," Wheeler tells his camera. A soldier is heard on the radio saying, "My map is evidently wrong." So, the convoy was forced to turn- around and head back through the same town that greeted the convoy with "raining rocks" only a few minutes earlier. "We're going back through hell," Wheeler laments.
He nervously comments on the danger that awaits him and his fellow truckers by saying, "This is gonna be one good video right here, boy...it's gonna be good."
In 'Iraq for Sale' ( http://www.iraqforsale.org), Robert Greenwald's new film, a widow of one the dead drivers in another convoy massacre in 2004 complained that KBR drivers are not given road maps. Another widow said, "These men went to do the right thing (and) they were totally taken advantage of ... (Halliburton) knew, they knew, that there was more than a good chance that they would be killed." And one of the drivers who survived said, "It's about contracts ... fulfilling the contract and replacing us if we died."
But KBR and the military prepared for troop safety and logistics matters like road maps only after the fall of Baghdad, according to a KBR executive. (See his comments here: http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/troop_safety.html)
Apparently, flawed maps used in Wheeler's convoy played a role in causing the Sept. 20, 2005, massacre.
After the convoy began retracing its route to find the correct road, Wheeler's ominous prediction of imminent danger was proven correct by erupting gunfire and exploding bombs, proving resistance fighters prepared for the convoy's return through the town.
Suddenly, a bomb explodes and a bullet hole is seen in Wheeler's windshield. "God damn, IED on the left side!" he reports to the military on the radio, referring to improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have claimed hundreds of American lives. Small arms fire is heard again. "Jesus Christ!" Wheeler cries. "Help us all, Lord!"
One of the truckers on the radio can be heard saying, "I'm hit, I'm hit!"
As gunfire pounds the convoy, a soldier is heard on the radio confidently saying, "Keep moving guys! Get out of the kill zone!"
Wheeler proclaims "I got it on video, by God!" Again, he says, "God, help us all, Lord!"
Moments later, Wheeler calls for help because enemy fire has forced his truck to stall. In fact, the entire convoy is stalled and taking pot-shots by the resistance. An IED has caused a truck to overturn ahead of Wheeler's truck. "I am down!" Wheeler screams into the radio. Small arms fire continues. "Truck Five cannot move!" he says. "Please help me! I'm taking fire!"
Despite the threat to his life, Wheeler is relatively composed and able to deal with the harrowing situation. He even continues holding the camera and videotaping the unfolding massacre.
As the military fails to offer aid, he angrily screams into the radio for help: "I'm fixing to get killed, God dammit! I cannot move! Truck Five cannot move! Copy? I am getting shot! Someone get their ass back here now, please!"
Other drivers in the crippled convoy can be heard on the radio imploring the military for help and screaming "Gun truck! Gun truck! Gun truck!" But the gun truck fails to arrive.
"Sir, I have no gun back here and... I am by myself," Wheeler, hoping the military will hear his plea, reports into the radio. (KBR employees are forbidden to carry weapons.)
Realizing no help is coming as enemy fire continues, Wheeler narrates for his camera, saying, "You're damn right I'm scared! I'm going home when this shit's done! When this shit's done, I'm fucking out of here!"
As small arms fire intensifies against the truck ahead, Wheeler witnesses the killing of a fellow driver ahead of him. He screams into the radio, "They just killed him! Oh Jesus! Oh, my God!"
The video ends.
Three KBR truck drivers were killed that day. They are Keven Dagit, 42 (in truck 3), of Jefferson, Iowa; Christopher Lem, 40, (in truck 1) of Lyndon Station, Wisconsin; and Sascha Grenner- Case (in truck 4) of Sierra Vista, Arizona. Wheeler, who lives in Arkansas, was shot and barely survived. Two other drivers, including Terry Steward (in truck 2) of Idaho, were also injured.
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Re: Видео: Свободные иракцы приветствуют победителей
PavelM wrote:http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/reports/ambush_abb.ram
Halliburton Ambush in Iraq Caught on Video
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По CNN ( или ABC) это крутили сегодня..
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Это всё эмоции, а вот голые факты:
Poll: Iraqis Back Attacks on U.S. Troops
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer
Wed Sep 27, 5:13 PM
WASHINGTON - About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces ...(Правда странно, что не 10 из 10, VF)
Тhe poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents...(Правда странно, что не 5 из 5,VF)
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post...(Правда странно, что не three thirds, VF)
Poll: Iraqis Back Attacks on U.S. Troops
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer
Wed Sep 27, 5:13 PM
WASHINGTON - About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces ...(Правда странно, что не 10 из 10, VF)
Тhe poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents...(Правда странно, что не 5 из 5,VF)
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post...(Правда странно, что не three thirds, VF)
Cogito, ergo sum - я мыслю, значит существую.
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Н-ский wrote:PavelM wrote:Golyadkin wrote:Жалко мужиков.
Жалость тут не уместна.
Оккупанты они.
Ну, кому как. Я лично своей стране всегда победы желаю.
My country, right or wrong.
Вы бы были ко двору в нацисткой Германии или в первобытном племени человекообразных обезьян. Мое племя, right or wrong
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CBI wrote:Вы бы были ко двору в нацисткой Германии или в первобытном племени человекообразных обезьян. Мое племя, right or wrong
CBI, a можно поинтересоваться, Вы лично в период жизни в СССР так же настойчиво критиковали политику партии или к человекообразным обезьянам тогда относились?
- раскинув мозгами, подумал Штирлиц...
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PavelM wrote:Golyadkin wrote:Жалко мужиков.
Жалость тут не уместна.
Мне немцев под Москвой никогда жалко не было.
Оккупанты они.
Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
Человеческая жалость не имеет ни какого отношения к политике. Она либо есть либо ее нет. И,да, мне жалко немцев под Москвой и жалко моих дядьев погибших воюя с немцами.
Я не гадалка.... я аналитик. (c) Айсберг
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machineHead wrote:CBI wrote:Вы бы были ко двору в нацисткой Германии или в первобытном племени человекообразных обезьян. Мое племя, right or wrong
CBI, a можно поинтересоваться, Вы лично в период жизни в СССР так же настойчиво критиковали политику партии или к человекообразным обезьянам тогда относились?
Привета в СССР не было - поэтому так же настойчиво не получалось
А если серьезно, то высказываний типа - моя страна - right or wrong - у меня в СССР не было. Хотя, возможно, не всегда знал когда она была wrong.
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lxf wrote:Здесь есть существенная разница. В Афгане наши служили по приказу. В Ирак контракторы едут за деньгами, причем немалыми. Разумеется людей жалко, но они знали на что шли.JiltedGen wrote:Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
я тоже вижу разницу между всеобщей воинской обязанностью и добровольным контрактом
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null wrote:lxf wrote:Здесь есть существенная разница. В Афгане наши служили по приказу. В Ирак контракторы едут за деньгами, причем немалыми. Разумеется людей жалко, но они знали на что шли.JiltedGen wrote:Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
я тоже вижу разницу между всеобщей воинской обязанностью и добровольным контрактом
На самом деле разницы не так много как видится. И добровольный контракт не всегда так уж доброволен, и во всеобщей обязанности дофига исключений.
Хорошо конечно быть здоровым, небедным и после хорошего ВУЗа, но надо ж помнить что не всем так шоколадно.
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lxf wrote:Здесь есть существенная разница. В Афгане наши служили по приказу. В Ирак контракторы едут за деньгами, причем немалыми. Разумеется людей жалко, но они знали на что шли.JiltedGen wrote:Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
Удобная позиция прикрываться обязательной службой. Классная индульгенция от всех грехов. А на призванных немцев она распространяется или это искючительная монополия на добродетель русских в Афганистане?
...и ты, покорный им народ.
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JiltedGen wrote:PavelM wrote:Golyadkin wrote:Жалко мужиков.
Жалость тут не уместна.
Мне немцев под Москвой никогда жалко не было.
Оккупанты они.
Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
Я понимаю так, что по Ваше задумке советское присутствие в Афганистане ныне и во веки веков должно оправдывать любые грязные делишки вашингтонского обкома.
Но это Вы мимо. Вспомните хоть историю, уважаемый.
Overall, Brezhnev turned down 18 official requests for military help from Afghanistan's government before actually ordering deployment of Soviet troops to Afghanistan. The operation by the Soviets was not legally considered an invasion ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
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adb wrote:JiltedGen wrote:Человеческая жалость не имеет ни какого отношения к политике. Она либо есть либо ее нет. И,да, мне жалко немцев под Москвой и жалко моих дядьев погибших воюя с немцами.
А карательные отряды СС вам тоже жалко? А тех, кто советских военнопленных в лагерях мучил?
А нельзя ли привести ход Ваших мыслей, приведший к этому вопросу? Хоть убей, не понимаю, какая его логическая связь с предыдущей дискуссией.
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Они, однако, не в Ирак контракт подписывали. Я не знаю каковы были бы последствия для человека, оборвавшего контракт как раз когда его надумали отправить в Ирак, но должны быть не слишком приятные. Так что разница чисто количественная.lxf wrote:Здесь есть существенная разница. В Афгане наши служили по приказу. В Ирак контракторы едут за деньгами, причем немалыми. Разумеется людей жалко, но они знали на что шли.JiltedGen wrote:Значит вы не жалели наших ребят погибших и покалеченных в Афгане?
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По-моему речь шла не о вашингтонском обкоме, а об обычных молодых ребятах, которые пошли в армию кто по какой причине, но в основном - на образование заработать. И попали. Если бы пристрелили некоторых наиболее рьяных из этого обкома - слова бы кривого не сказал.PavelM wrote: Я понимаю так, что по Ваше задумке советское присутствие в Афганистане ныне и во веки веков должно оправдывать любые грязные делишки вашингтонского обкома.
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Доцент wrote:По-моему речь шла не о вашингтонском обкоме, а об обычных молодых ребятах, которые пошли в армию кто по какой причине, но в основном - на образование заработать. И попали. Если бы пристрелили некоторых наиболее рьяных из этого обкома - слова бы кривого не сказал.PavelM wrote: Я понимаю так, что по Ваше задумке советское присутствие в Афганистане ныне и во веки веков должно оправдывать любые грязные делишки вашингтонского обкома.
Какие молодые ребята и какая армия?
They are Keven Dagit, 42 (in truck 3), of Jefferson, Iowa; Christopher Lem, 40, (in truck 1) of Lyndon Station, Wisconsin;