WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush received a stinging rebuke of his Iraq policy, as a Senate panel condemned his plan to pour more US troops into the war-ravaged country.
But US Vice President Dick Cheney bluntly dismissed the no-confidence measure, telling CNN television: "It won't stop us."
Yvsobol wrote:Да но...бюджет на етот год уже утвержден и ничего Буша не остановит в етом году. Как я понимаю.
Тс-с-с... Если он внутрь повернется и начнет с таким же усердием тут мазать -slozovsk wrote:Еще Буша обвиняют в том, что он непонятно каких американцев защищает в Ираке, а тем временем, от рук нелегалов, со времени 9/11 погибло 40 тыс. американцев. Т.е. гибнет 19-30 человек в день, а Буш почему то в Ираке шашкой машет.
Оттуда бы войска вывести.
slozovsk wrote:По идее, на доп. войска нужны и доп. деньги....
Почему? Боятся прослыть непатриотами. Какой здесь лозунг коронный? "Support our troops!" (whatever they do). Так что всё будет тип-топ - денежку дадут, никуда не денутся. Ребята, да они просто имитируют оппозицию, но в реальности ничего не сделают - они там, наверху все заодно.
machineHead wrote:slozovsk wrote:тем временем, от рук нелегалов, со времени 9/11 погибло 40 тыс. американцев. Т.е. гибнет 19-30 человек в день, а Буш почему то в Ираке шашкой машет.
Откуда такие цифрки? Источником не поделитесь?
slozovsk wrote:Ведущий, естественно, стал задавать тот же вопрос. Ему ответили, что информацией поделилось гос. агентство (ФБР, кажется), которое ведет такого рода статистику. Было уточнено, что в приведенные цифры входит homicide and manslaughter.
Хотя, вот первая попавшаяся ссылка - http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P ... 0119a.html
machineHead wrote:slozovsk wrote:Ведущий, естественно, стал задавать тот же вопрос. Ему ответили, что информацией поделилось гос. агентство (ФБР, кажется), которое ведет такого рода статистику. Было уточнено, что в приведенные цифры входит homicide and manslaughter.
Хотя, вот первая попавшаяся ссылка - http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P ... 0119a.html
То есть я понял, что некто позвонил на радио, назвал такую цифру, и Вам она так легла на душу, что Вы тут же выдали без проверки
И ссылка Ваша похоже того же качества.
Дело в том, что чифра, которая там приведена (9000 в год) практически совпадаем с количеством раскрытых убийств в США
(обчее количество убийств в США 16000 в год, раскрываемость 60%).
Т.е. кроме нелегальных иммигрантов никто не убивает!
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2005
Crime statistics relating to illegal immigrants are hazy, but on his website, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) says that 12 homicides and 13 drunk driving deaths a day are attributed to illegal aliens.
In testimony before the House Judiciary Committee immigration subcommittee in 2005, Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow Heather Mac Donald said that in Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide and up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants in the first half of the previous year targeted illegal aliens.
And it comes down to this: If we had enforced our borders, if we hadn't allowed any illegals to come into the United States, if we would have enforced our domestic laws so when people violated immigration laws internally, domestically; if we did those things, then we wouldn't have illegal aliens in America to commit the crimes. And that would equate and extrapolate down to 12 fewer murders every day, 13 fewer people that die at the hands of negligent homicide, primarily the victims of drunk drivers, at least 8 little girls that are victims of sex crimes on a daily basis, and that number could be well higher than that because the average predator, perpetrator commits and is convicted on at least 3.6 victims. And that is the ones we find out about. There are many others that are not reported. In fact, they statistically say that there might be only 10 percent that are actually reported. These numbers are small numbers. They are the conservative side of the numbers, not the larger side of the numbers.
MaxSt wrote:Насчет 95% - явная чушь.
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide target illegal aliens, and approximately two-thirds of all felony outstanding warrants target illegal aliens. ICE says Mara Salvatrucha is predominantly or majority illegal. Police officers will tell you it's basically 100 percent illegal. He mentioned the 18th Street Gang or you mentioned the 18th Street Gang, which a California Department of Justice study put at about 60 percent illegal. Again, cops will say otherwise.
slozovsk wrote:Вот другой источник - http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/i ... stats.html
28 percent of the inmates in our prisons in the United States are criminal aliens
Yvsobol wrote:А я вот не понимаю - может ли Конгресс как то повлиять на Буша?
WASHINGTON - President Bush, on a collision course with Congress over Iraq, said Friday "I'm the decision-maker" about sending more troops to the war. He challenged skeptical lawmakers not to prematurely condemn his plan.
"I've picked the plan that I think is most likely to succeed," Bush said in an Oval Office meeting with senior military advisers.
The president had strong words for lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who are lining up to support resolutions opposing his decision to send 21,500 troops to Iraq. He challenged them to put up their own ideas. "Some are condeming a plan before it's even had a chance to work," he said.
Bush said lawmakers agree that failure in Iraq would be a disaster and that he chose a strategy that he and his advisers thought would help turn the tide in Iraq.
The president met with Army Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, newly confirmed by the Senate to command U.S. troops in Iraq.
"My instruction to him was `Get over to the zone as quickly as possible, and implement a plan that will achieve our goals,'" Bush said.
"You're going into an important battle in the war on terror," he told Petraeus.
During a photo opportunity, Bush was asked about stepped-up activities in Iraq against Iranian activities thought to be fueling the violence.
Bush defended the policy, but said it is no indication that the United States intends to expand the confrontation beyond Iraq's borders.
"That's a presumption that's simply not accurate," Bush said.
But added: "Our policy is going to be to protect our troops. It makes sense."