Какие варианты есть у медиков?

Viktor · Post by **Viktor** » 18 Sep 1999 20:59

Я Программист в калифорнии Н1 жена Н4.
Образование у нее Медучилище, Мединтситут, 1 год ординатуры. Какие шаги ей стоит предпринять что бы здесь ей возобновить ее образование или найти работу.
Буду благодарен любым советам.
Спасибо.

corina · Post by **corina** » 07 Oct 1999 19:39

Viktor, naschet zheny... Zavisit ot mnogich faktorov, naprimer ot vozrasta. Esli ona molodaya - luchshe podtverzhdat' diplom vracha, esli v vozraste - mozhno poprobovat' na Registered Nurse. Pri nalichii eyo diplomov, ona mozhet rabotat' kak MD, tak i RN.
Chtoby sdat' ekzameny na vracha, nuzhno posvyatit' god svoyei zhizni (ezhednevno, bez razvlecheniy) na osvezheniye v pamyati izvestnogo ei materiala, tol'ko in English + osobennosti mestnoy meditsiny s uchetom diverse cultures, behavioral differences, mentality, etc. Esli zanimat'sa part time, zaymyot bol'she vremeni (2-3-5 years). Posle sdachi ekzamenov ( zhelatel'no s vysokim SCORE ), predstoit nayti i zakonchit' residenturu ( 3 - 4 goda ), eto iznuryayushaya ("killing") praktika s nebol'shoy oplatoy truda($2,500 v mesyats). I kogda Vy proshli ogon', vody i medniye truby, mozhno otkryvat' svoy business, libo ustroit'sa v Hospital s nachal'nym okladom ~$90,000 v god ( San Francisco Bay area ) s dal'neyshim povysheniem v zavisimosti ot stazha, sposobnostey, special'nosti i mnogih drugih faktorov do $ 300,000.
Chtoby sdat' ekzamen na RN, nuzhno zanimat'sa intensivno polgoda ( i bol'she ). Posle polucheniya RN license, neobhodimo proyti TRAINING dlya raboty v gospitale (dlya doma prestarelych ne obyazatel'no). Zarplata RN var'iruyet po shtatam, takzhe zavisit ot stazha raboty, ot uchrezhdeniya, etc - ot $30,000 do $90,000 v god.
Esli vozniknut voprosy, otvechu pozzhe.

Sincerely, Corina

e-pismo · Post by **e-pismo** » 08 Oct 1999 06:29

Corina,

A ekzamen na RN legche chem USMLE?

corina · Post by **corina** » 08 Oct 1999 10:58

Legche tem, chto ob'em materiala men'she. Vsego 1 ekzamen ( v proshlom 2dnya, v nastoyashee vremya - 1 den' ).
Tak chto esli est' deti, kotoryh nuzhno "podnimat', luchshe sdavat' na RN. Da i luchshe rabotat' RN, poskol'ku u nih normirovannyi rabochiy den', net dezhurstv ( on call ). Otrabotal 8 - 12 chasov, i domoy k detyam, i nikakoy golovnoy boli o "dostayushih" patsientah, ni toshnotvornyh bataliy s Insurance companies, kotorye tebya "razdenut", glazom ne morgnuv. Rabotat' vracham v nastoyashee vremya tyazhelo. Da i otnoshenie k nim sil'no menyaetsa. V San Francisco Bay area (Silicon valley) vrachi prinadlezat k srednemu klassu, i otnoshenie k nim takoe zhe. Kogda kak v Midwest, vrach - chut' li ne Bog.
Tak chto smotrite, chto Vam vazhnee, kakiye ambitsii u zheny + semeynye obstoyatel'stva.

Udachi Vam.

Corina

e-pismo · Post by **e-pismo** » 08 Oct 1999 19:53

Dear Corina!
Thank you for the insight on this topic.
Is it gonna be difficult to get into residency after working RN? How is it going to look on resume:first MD, then RN?
Or may be instead of going to RN, it is better to do research in Basic Science?
If this is not a secret have you done a residency? What minimum score at least give some hope to get into residency?

Voli · Post by **Voli** » 09 Oct 1999 10:29

Corina, а чем занимается RN?
Может ли врач устроиться волонтером в больницу, легче ли после этого наити резидентуру ( при условии , что экзамены сданы, конечно,).
Можно ли поити таким путем- поработатьRN, а потом устроиться в резидентуру?
Достаточно ли USMLEДля того чтобы работать RN или в любом случае необходимо сдать экзамен на RN?
Заранее, спасибо.
TO Victor
Пару лет назад помимо 2 письменных экзаменов ввели еще и устный.
Причем деиствителен он только 3 года, а все остальные 7 лет.

Voli · Post by **Voli** » 09 Oct 1999 10:34

Сorina, еще вопрос.
Где может работать врач, не нашедший резидентуру.
Есть ли какие-то варианты кроме работы в больнице?
Спасибо.

Voli · Post by **Voli** » 09 Oct 1999 10:35

Виктору- посмотрите здесь. www.ecfmg.org

SergeySm · Post by **SergeySm** » 10 Oct 1999 21:21

To Victor:
Я где-то уже писал в этой конфе...
Посмотри www.[...auto_moderated...] - парень - врач подробно описывает весь процесс.
Serg

corina · Post by **corina** » 11 Oct 1999 09:11

RN & MD certifications - two different things. It' s very important to decide for yourself, what you gonna do. If you'll choose RN, I wouldn't recommend to mention about MD degree, they don't like overqualified ( also smart ) people.

If you work as an RN ( I assume after successful RN Board examination ), if you feel like you are not realized completely, it's still possible to proceed with USMLE, residency, etc. But it'll be wasted time, kind of. You'll be a few years older, leaving alone financial matter. That's why it is essential to know what you really want.

There are no secrets, I have not done residency yet. I work as an RN in Labor & Delivery ( Obstetrical nurse ). I have a lot of friends (mostly americans), who's done residency. Also I meet them at work, they look & feel terrible due to unhumane terms of residency. But people still done that, ecpecially tough & endure Russians.

So, you are lucky to have options. Think about & GO FOR IT.

ATTN: VOLI

RN - independantly functioning professional, diagnosing, assessing patients' needs, notifying MD over the phone & implementing MD's orders. Very interesting & creative job, satisfying & rewarding. Patients of US hospitals contact mostly nurses, hardly ever seeing their doctors. Extremely responsible & liable job, especially OB (delivering babies), the highest liability (when parents sue you for the bad outcome, or for low grades of their child at school). They convinced that we are responsible for it (sometimes we are, though).

RE volunteers... Nobody will allow volunteer" to touch" the patient, they can't even follow an RN or MD, observing them on duty. Personally I think it's a waste of time. Nobody will talk to them regarding their past or future education, etc. It's just not appropriate.

To work as an RN it's necessary to have a foreign Diploma of Nursing school, to pass the Board of Registered Nursing & get an RN license. Obviously to find a job, which could be hard without american experience.

Person not compleated Residency is not an MD & supposedly unable to practice as one. I'm not aware of any other options.

Sincerely, Corina

zsv · Post by **zsv** » 12 Oct 1999 11:28

Dear Corina,

Огромное спасибо за информацию о RN.
Вопрос: а может ли человек с дипломом врача после медицинского института, но без прохождения интернатуры или ординатуры в России сдавать на MD или на RN?

Какое вообще преимущество в Америке дает интернатура или ординатура, пройденная в России (насколько мне известно, это какая-то дополнительная корочка)?

Это я спрашиваю для того, чтобы решить, стоит ли моей жене проходить интернатуру в России, теряя год, (или даже ординатуру, теряя два года) или ей стоит сейчас приехать в Штаты по H4 и сразу заняться изучением языка, и, пока не все забыла, зубрить материал для сдачи на RN?

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zsv

Voli · Post by **Voli** » 12 Oct 1999 18:12

TO zsv
Насколько я знаю в америке не признают никакие ординатуры и аспирантуры.
В рач обязан закончиить американскую резидентуру.

Voli · Post by **Voli** » 12 Oct 1999 18:31

Corina, спасибо!

corina · Post by **corina** » 12 Oct 1999 18:44

Regarding internship, or fellowship... My opinion, it's better to specialize in a country, where you going to practice. If you seriously decided to stay in the US, your wife should continue studying here. Though, she might save a lot of money on school in Russia. The Americans prefer the US education. But many Russians, including different other nationalities, successfully passed the Board & practice Medicine. You do what's the best in your situation.

Probably I wasn't clear enough... Without an actual Diploma of a Medical Nurse (not a certificate some get on a third year of Medical Institute, that does not count) or MD Diploma, the Boards not allow to take any exams, leaving alone taking care of patients. They can't take resposibility for any bad outcome, too much money involved.

RN & MD are two separate, independant from each other professions. If you are an MD, it doesn't mean that you can work as an RN.

Corina

corina · Post by **corina** » 12 Oct 1999 18:59

No problem, Voli. Any time.

Corina

Oleg433 · Post by **Oleg433** » 12 Nov 1999 13:49

To:Corina and others,
Скажите пожалуйста еще подробне для Green Card Holder Russian Immigrants:

1.)Can a Russian Nurse who's completed the 2-yr.course from Медучилище get admission/entrance(Какие требования?) to study the full course of Registered Nurse in the USA?If yes then please mention the duration/time to complete the education,fee(isn't the education free in
America?)etc.

2.)Can a Russian M.D.enter to the Medical Colleges to get degree again ЗАНОВО!!!(К Сожалению!!!!! что поделаешь если других вариантов нет и если ты не где не годишься!!!!!).
How much it costs,how many yrs.it takes to complete,best Medical Colleges to get job after completion,and others.????

3.)By the way, haven't you listen about the
Accelerated Program to Educate immigrated Physicians ("APEP") for Russians yet???.This is in New York Institute of Technology -Faculty of Osteopathic Medicine in Old Westbury!.I heard that in 3yrs.one can
get the degree of Doctor of Osteopathy (D.O.)and get job in any Hospital
like the same level as of other yellopathic
doctors.

With regards.....
Oleg433

Tatiana · Post by **Tatiana** » 12 Nov 1999 18:24

Я американских законов не знаю, но знаю канадские, которые всегда повторяют американские :-)

По поводу второго вопроса - в Канаде нет. По закону не положено. Раз ты уже врач - должен подтверждать диплом а не учиться заново. Я сама лично накололась в McGill University в Монтреале в 1992 году :-)

x-tech · Post by **x-tech** » 13 Nov 1999 19:14

Господа! А подскажите пожалуйста, как мне получить образование врача в США? Я надеюсь на выигрыш в DV и хотел бы выучиться на врача. Это вообще возможно в 25 лет? Спасибо.

Banned_for_ad · Post by **Banned_for_ad** » 14 Nov 1999 01:33

x-tech: If you already have a Bachelor's Degree, you will need to apply to a Medical School, get in and study there for 4 years(I think). Then you will need to go through residency for a couple of years.

Vintik

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Vintik's Club, http://www.[...auto_moderated...]

Oleg433 · Post by **Oleg433** » 16 Nov 1999 22:01

СПЕЦИАЛЬНЫЕ МЕСТА ДЛЯ ИМИГРАНТОВ!!!!!!

Скажите пожалуйста подробне для Green Card Holder Russian Immigrants:

1.)Can a Russian Nurse who's completed the 2-yr.course from Медучилище get
admission/entrance(Какие требования?) to study the full course of Registered Nurse in the USA?If yes then please mention the duration/time to complete the education,fee(isn't the education free in
America?)etc.

2.)Can a Russian M.D.enter to the Medical Colleges to get degree again ЗАНОВО!!!(К
Сожалению!!!!! что поделаешь если других вариантов нет и если ты не где не годишься!!!!!).
How much it costs,how many yrs.it takes to complete,best Medical Colleges to get job after completion,and others.????

3.)By the way, haven't you listen about the
Accelerated Program to Educate immigrated Physicians ("APEP") for Russians yet???.This is in New York Institute of Technology -Faculty of Osteopathic Medicine in Old Westbury!.I heard that in 3yrs.one can get the degree of Doctor of Osteopathy (D.O.)and get job in any Hospital
like the same level as of other yellopathic
doctors.

With regards.....

Oleg433

Oleg433 · Post by **Oleg433** » 22 Nov 1999 10:36

Друзья,куда Вы пропали??