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klsk548 wrote:А в чем выражалась "истерия"? И где она была? И откуда вывод, что ее нет? Вы что, все 4,765 источников прочитали? :)

Берем наугад хотя бы один из "надежных источников" - CNN, и читаем. Выводы, надеюсь, сможете сделать сами.
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(CNN) -- Armenian opposition leader Levon Ter-Petrosian appealed to his followers to go home Sunday to avoid the kind of violent clashes between police and protesters that left nine people dead over the weekend.

Opposition supporters wave an Armenian flag during a protest rally in Yerevan on Saturday.

Ter-Petrosian vowed he would continue to protest the election results peacefully through legal means.

Aides drove through the capital city of Yerevan playing the appeal over loudspeakers and by Sunday, few demonstrators remained on the streets.

Chaos in the former Soviet republic could affect the stability of the region, which plays an important role in producing and supplying oil and gas to the West. Armenia, population 3 million, lies a east of Turkey, south of Georgia and north of Iran.

"We will avoid any public meeting and marches, and we will concentrate on the constitutional court where we are expecting the case to be heard and discussed (Tuesday)," opposition spokesman Arman Musinyan told CNN Sunday.

The clashes Saturday over alleged election fraud killed at least nine people and injured 17 police officers, a government official told CNN Sunday.

Among the dead was one police officer and eight civilians, the official said. Sixteen officers were hospitalized with bullet wounds. A 17th officer was in critical condition.

Armenian President Robert Kocharian declared a state of emergency Saturday night that he hoped would bring order to Yerevan. The state of emergency could last until March 20, officials said. Watch Ghazarian discuss the situation in Armenia »

The clashes began when authorities used force to clear Freedom Square of thousands of demonstrators who had camped there for the past 10 days, according to a U.S. Embassy official.

The embassy official estimated that the demonstrations in Freedom Square grew to as many as 60,000 Armenians at times over the last 10 days.

"This government tried to do everything to stop our people from peacefully protesting," Musinyan said. "For nine days, no car was burned, no window was broken, nothing. They just saw that people will not go for any provocation. That's why they tried to forcefully disperse them."

Armenian police said they moved in Saturday morning because they had information some demonstrators were armed with weapons and explosives.

The protests began soon after the Feb. 19 presidential election, when Ter-Petrosian lost to Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian, the handpicked successor of the outgoing president.

The opposition party immediately accused the government of vote fraud and demanded that the results be voided.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) monitored the election and concluded that it was mostly in line with international standards, although it did include some criticism in its report.


Ну и, в качестве сравнения, реакция на арест Каспарова (а не на убийство людей). Событие, надо думать, не соизмеримое с Армянскими, но праведного гнева и классовой ненависти - на порядок больше. Вот это и называется "истерия"
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian riot police beat and detained protesters as thousands defied an official ban and attempted to stage a rally Saturday against President Vladimir Putin's government, which opponents accuse of rolling back freedoms.

Authorities also have banned a similar march planned for Sunday in St. Petersburg.

A coalition of opposition groups organized the "Dissenters March" to protest the economic and social policies of Putin as well as a series of Kremlin actions that critics say has stripped Russians of many political rights.

Organizers said about 2,000 demonstrators turned out.

Thousands of police officers massed to keep the demonstrators off landmark Pushkin Square in downtown Moscow, beating some and detaining many others, including Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion who has emerged as the most prominent leader of the opposition alliance.

Police said 170 people had been detained, but a Kasparov aide, Marina Litvinovich, said as many as 600 were -- although about half were released quickly.

Kasparov, who witnesses said was seized as he tried to lead a small group of demonstrators through lines of police ringing the square, was freed late Saturday after he was fined $38 for participating in the rally.

"It is no longer a country ... where the government tries to pretend it is playing by the letter and spirit of the law," Kasparov said outside the court building, appearing unfazed by his detention.

"We now stand somewhere between Belarus and Zimbabwe," he said.

Klara Kasparova, Kasparov's mother, told CNN her son was resting in her apartment after his hearing.

She said a witness for the state presented "obvious factual errors" and the judge refused to hear any motions from the defense.

"There were many witnesses who knew better," Kasparova told CNN. "That was not a trial; it was a shame."

It was the fourth time in recent months that anti-Putin demonstrations have been broken up with force or smothered by a huge police presence.

Putin, whose second and last term ends in 2008, has created an obedient parliament and his government has reasserted control over major television networks, giving little air time to critics.

TV newscasts on Saturday reported the protests, but gave as much or more time to a pro-Kremlin youth rally held near Moscow State University.

Organizers had sought permission to gather on Pushkin Square, a traditional site for protests, but city officials rejected the request. Instead, they approved Turgenev Square, about a mile east and away from the city's commercial and cultural hub.

Organizers refused to cancel plans for the Pushkin Square rally and protesters started to arrive before 11 a.m. Police began seizing them a few at a time.

Viktor Vinokourov, a 67-year-old pensioner, watched the detentions from a nearby sidewalk, holding a hand-scrawled sign declaring: "I Don't Agree." A young man in a leather coat, apparently a plainclothes security officer, snatched it out of his hands.

Around noon, several hundred protesters headed away from Pushkin Square toward the sanctioned demonstration site, marching past startled motorists while chanting "Putin get out!" and "We need a new Russia!"

As they walked arm-in-arm down a main thoroughfare, a police cordon blocked their path. Some in the crowd ran forward and police charged, their truncheons flailing.

Hundreds of police and soldiers surrounded Turgenev Square but let demonstrators in after checking them for weapons.

Mikhail Kasyanov, Putin's first prime minister but now a leading opponent, denounced the arrests and beatings in a speech at Turgenev Square.

"Everyone should ask the question: What is happening with our authorities -- are they still sane, or have they gone mad?" he said, as the crowd chanted, "Shame on the government."

Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who observed the march, said authorities were only trying to maintain order, not to interfere with the exercising of political rights.

"We live in a democratic country, a free country, and we give the possibility to everybody to express their agreement or disagreement," he said on Russia's Channel 1 television.
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ZSM-5, знаете анектод про "Пива нет"? Вы мне героя этого анекдота напоминаете :)
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klsk548 wrote:ZSM-5, знаете анектод про "Пива нет"? Вы мне героя этого анекдота напоминаете :)

Нет, этого анекдота не знаю. Так Вы увидели наличие истерии во второй ссылке, и наличие отсутствия ее же в первой?
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ZSM-5 wrote:
klsk548 wrote:ZSM-5, знаете анектод про "Пива нет"? Вы мне героя этого анекдота напоминаете :)

Нет, этого анекдота не знаю. Так Вы увидели наличие истерии во второй ссылке, и наличие отсутствия ее же в первой?
Мужик с жуткого бодуна бредет за пивом. Подходит к ларьку и видит большую табличку: "Пива нет". Мужик - в истерике:
- Сволочи! Подонки! ПИВА НЕ-Е-ЕТ! ПИВА НЕ-Е-ЕТ! Не могут спокойно написать: "пива нет"... (ц) :)
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klsk548 wrote:ПИВА НЕ-Е-ЕТ!

Хороший анекдот :great: :beer:, я его, естественно, слышал, но сразу не сообразил.
P.S. Я правильно понял, что по делу возражений не имеется?
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ZSM-5 wrote:P.S. Я правильно понял, что по делу возражений не имеется?
Нет, неправильно поняли. ИМХО, истерики ни в одном из репортажей я не заметил.
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klsk548 wrote:ИМХО, истерики ни в одном из репортажей я не заметил.

А если снять розово-демократические очки, то все равно не заметно?
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klsk548 wrote:ИМХО, истерики ни в одном из репортажей я не заметил.

А если снять розово-демократические очки, то все равно не заметно?
Я не совсем понимаю, какие у вас критерии "истерики".

Вот сегодняшняя статья в The Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0306/p04s02-wogn.html
Armenia is the latest in a string of ex-Soviet countries to crack down hard on peaceful protesters alleging electoral fraud. Last weekend, security forces – using truncheons, tear gas, and stun guns – dispersed several thousand supporters of former president Levon Ter-Petrosyan...

Это истерика или нет?
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Молчание вокруг Армении ("The Washington Post", США)
Мы, армяне, сейчас пытаемся осмыслить, в чем корни безразличия к насилию над нашей демократией

Левон Тер-Петросян (Levon Ter-Petrossian), 05 марта 2008

http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/240042.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02329.html


Итак, что же следует делать? Чего народ Армении ожидает от Запада, и особенно от Соединенных Штатов? Как минимум, мы ожидаем прямого и недвусмысленного осуждения событий 1 марта, причем ответственность за происшедшее должна быть возложена на правительство, а не на оппозицию. Помимо этого, необходимо предупредить режим о недопустимости преследования оппозиции и ее лидеров, достигающего в последнее время беспрецедентных масштабов, и потребовать от него снять ограничения, наложенные на прессу и восстановить право на свободу собраний и получение беспристрастной информации. Мы также ожидаем пересмотра результатов выборов. Любой серьезный пересмотр неминуемо приведет к выводу о необходимости проведения новых выборов.

Если эти шаги не будут предприняты, армянам придется сделать из этой ситуации два крайне нежелательных вывода: что мирные и законные методы политической борьбы неэффективны и бессмысленны, и что Запад демократия заботит только в тех случаях, когда это политически выгодно. Запад должен сделать все возможное, чтобы граждане Армении не пришли к подобным заключениям.
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klsk548 wrote:
MAF wrote:
klsk548 wrote:Гугл Ньюс выдает 4,765 результатов по слову "Armenia"

тот же гугл выдал результатов 711 000 000 по слову sex.... и что?
Ответ очевиден - секс народу более интересн, чем Армения.
А вы как думаете?
Это что, уже новый опрос? Трудно сразу ответить. Новый год интереснее, потому, что он чаще бывает. А Армения - .... что-то связь с сексом не улавливается...
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