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Немного о конспиративных теориях... (впечатлительных и особо интеллигентных людей просим не читать :lol: )

Paper Power

The plan for the New World Order and global control moved into a new phase with the emergence of `funny money'. This is the process by which banks lend money that doesn't exist (credit) and charge you interest on it. If I gave you something that doesn't exist and asked you to pay me for it, you might consider calling the police. If I gave you something that doesn't exist and said that if you don't pay me for it I will take you to court and take your property away, you might say we lived in a fascist state. Yet what I have just described is the banking system of the world and the means through which both people and governments are drowning in debt. And what does debt equal? Control.

Among the first bankers in the Western world were the Knights Templar. They were given enormous riches by Christians supporting the crusades and by legacies from people who were often hoping to buy a place in heaven. They were the wealthiest organization in every country in which they established themselves, and their temples in Paris and London became financial centers. Eventually, King Philip IV of France, in league with Pope Clement V, destroyed the Templars and stole their fortune to pay debts and, possibly for other reasons, too. The Templars' Grand Master, Jacques de Molay, was burned at the stake and the Order then went underground to work and plot secretly within other organizations. The Christian world had a strict ban on usury (the charging of interest on loans) but as the centuries passed this was forgotten, and the banking system which today controls humanity began to develop.

The currency of that time was precious metals (such as gold and silver) and, for safety reasons, the owners began to deposit their wealth with the goldsmiths, who had suitable strong rooms to ensure its safekeeping. The goldsmiths would issue paper receipts for the gold and silver deposited with them, and the owners would pay their debts by withdrawing portions of their `deposits', as necessary. It was obviously an unwieldy process to move all those metals around and the paper receipts slowly became accepted as currency. The gold and silver were rarely moved, but the ownership of it changed with the issuing of receipts (`money') to pay off debts. In the same way today, vast fortunes are made by simply moving numbers between one computer file and another.

The goldsmiths and other owners of the strong rooms began to realize that, at any time, only a fraction of the gold and silver was being withdrawn by the owners. "So," they thought, "why don't we issue notes (money) to other people who don't own the gold and charge them interest on the notes The only way the ruse could fail was if they issued too many notes and everyone came along at the same time to cash them in for gold and silver. They began to issue notes for the ownership of the gold and silver greatly in excess of the amount of gold and silver they had deposited in their vaults. Most of the notes they lent (and earned interest on) were related to gold and silver which the `banks' did not even have. But since only a small amount of the metals was being withdrawn at any one time, they were in the clear. They could issue lots of bits of paper for gold and silver that didn't exist and charge interest for doing so! There, in one sentence, you have a description of today's banking system, which controls the world.

People and governments are submerged in debt and desperately trying to pay interest on money that has never, does not, and will never exist. It is reckoned that on average, for every $1,400 a bank receives from customers, it lends (and charges interest upon) at least $14,000! It is able to do this through a fractional reserve system, which means they only have to keep a fraction (say, one-tenth) of their total deposits in the bank, or ‘reserve'. They count on it not being called for (demanded) by its customers all at the same time. In most countries where banks are regulated, there are rules or laws which allow a bank to shut its doors if too many people want their money out at the same time. The bank creates this money out of thin air by typing numbers onto a computer screen. A large slice of your taxes goes to the banks to pay interest on money created in this way when those taxes could be used to ease poverty and hunger, and create greater opportunity. Indeed, if the money system was restructured to serve people and not banks, there is a good case for saying that all taxation could end.

The con-trick is completed by the fact that if you fall behind in your interest payments on money that doesn't exist, the bank can take away your car, your house, and other property - wealth that does exist. Remember, too, that while you are borrowing a certain figure from the bank, you are paying back more than that, with the interest. Where does that interest come from? It comes from the wealth and credit in the world. So with every loan paid back to a bank since this system began, the interest payments have been sucking the wealth and money of the world into the banking system. With each loan repayment, the control of that system is strengthened. This allows the banking system, controlled by the Global Elite, to lend even greater sums of non-existent money and submerge even more people in debt.

The eighteenth century saw a major leap forward for the Global Elite ambitions as this banking system expanded, especially with the emergence and rapid rise to dominance of the House of Rothschild. Few organizations in modern times have served Elite ambitions more than this one. This name will appear on so many occasions, that I should fill in a little Rothschild history here.

Mayer Amschel Bauer (later Rothschild) was born in 1743 in Frankfurt, Germany. He married Gutle Schnaper in 1770 and they had a large family of five boys and five girls. He was educated to be a rabbi, but he later worked briefly for the Oppenheimer bank in Hanover and then became a money lender who acted as an agent for William IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel. In 1785, William inherited the largest family fortune in Europe, estimated at some $40 million. (1) Some of this was accumulated by hiring out troops to Britain to fight in the Brotherhood-engineered American War of Independence.

The Rothschild Empire was built on money embezzled by Mayer Amschel from William, who had in turn stolen it from the soldiers he had hired out to the British. The money, perhaps around $3 million, was paid by the British government to William to pay the soldiers, but he kept it for himself (2). William gave this money to Rothschild to hide it from Napoleon's armies, but instead Rothschild sent it to England with his son Nathan to establish the London branch of the family's empire. Nathan used the money to buy a vast quantity of gold from the East India Company and he used this gold to finance the Duke of Wellington's military exploits. Nathan manipulated the situation in such a way that this became the origin of the enormous Rothschild fortune.

On the back of Nathan's financial coup, branches of the House of Rothschild were established in Berlin, Paris, Vienna, and Naples. Mayer's sons were each put in charge of one of them. Today the Rothschild holdings are reported to be held in the Five Arrows Fund of Curacao and the Five Arrows Corporation of Toronto, Canada. The name comes from the Rothchild symbol of an eagle with five arrows in its talons, signifying the five sons (3). The fortune expanded by colossal leaps as the Rothschilds manipulated governments and worked through the Elite network to create wars and revolutions, often lending money to both sides in the ensuing conflicts. You will see that this was to become a standard practice for the banking elite. It is easy to create conflict and war; you only need to control a dictator or government. ensure that they have the means to build up a powerful army and then encourage or instruct them to invade other countries. Those countries will, understandably, defend themselves and presto! you have a war.

I have heard it said that no-one gains from wars, but that's not quite correct. The bankers win every time - in the short term. They lend money that doesn't exist to finance both sides and make massive profits on the interest. They also control the arms manufacturers with whom the two sides spend the funny money which the bankers have loaned. In this way they get their loans back through their armament companies while still charging interest on the original loan to the governments. Then, when the two or more countries have devastated each other with the help of money provided by the banks, those same banks lend them more money that doesn't exist to rebuild their shattered nations and infrastructure. This produces even more profits for the banks and, through debt, gives them control of those countries and their peoples. The Rothschild empire quickly became highly skilled in such manipulation, as did those in America like J.P. Morgan, the Rockefeller empire, and many others who, when you look behind the front organizations and smokescreens, are controlled by the same few families and individuals. There is evidence to suggest that in fact the House of Rothschild was behind both of these great American business and banking empires, a demonstration of the Rothschilds' brilliance for hiding the extent of their power and control behind frontmen and organizations.

But the bankers cannot do all this alone. They need the help of the Elite network to manipulate the circumstances in which conflicts will break out. The Rothschilds have long been enthusiastic Freemasons and Napoleon Bonaparte was surrounded by Freemasons who advised him on his policies and expansionism. They persuaded him at one time to invade Egypt and ransack ancient sites for knowledge and artifacts held to be sacred to Freemasonic ritual and legend. Napoleon brought a massive Egyptian obelisk back to Paris as part of this burglary. British Freemasons persuaded their government to do the same and the result was the theft of the Egyptian obelisk known as Cleopatra's Needle, which still stands in London. Napoleon's escapades were well exploited by the Brotherhood and their bankers. In his book, The Rothschilds, historian John Reeves tells how Nathan Rothschild witnessed the result of the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 and saw that Wellington had beaten the Napoleonic armies. Nathan then raced as fast as possible for the English Channel and the London Stock Exchange. There, looking dirty, panic-stricken and dejected, he announced that Wellington had been defeated. He gave more credence to this by selling some of his stocks at ridiculously low prices. This started a panic on the market with everyone desperately trying to sell at whatever price they could get. Secretly, Nathan and the House of Rothschild were buying these stocks for next to nothing. At that time, with no telephone or telegraphs it took several days for the news to filter back to London that Wellington had in fact won. The stock market immediately rebounded and surged upwards. Nathan proceeded to sell the stocks he had secretly acquired and reaped massive profits. This same basic method has been used ever since and is still used today to manipulate financial markets. Stock Market panics are not random. They are engineered to the detriment of everyone, except those who create them. The approach of the Rothschild Empire was summed up by Mayer Amschel when he said: "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes the laws". (4)

Nathan Rothschild took the Rothschild fortune and influence to new levels. He boasted that he multiplied their capital 2,500 times in the course of five years. (5) He established the private banking concern N.M. Rothschild and Sons in London with branches in Paris, Berlin, Vienna, and Naples. Its purpose was to operate on the stock exchanges and make loans to governments and others. It became the agent and manager for banks, railways, arms manufacturers, and corporations of all kinds. From this came branches of the company which were given many different names to hide the extent of Rothschild influence, power, and infiltration. This is very much how the financial system operates today, with a few at the center using endless different fronts and names for the same organization. Just look at the names above the shops in the average city center; if you look at who actually owns them, you will find it is the same few groups. You also find this with the apparently different soap powders and other products in the supermarkets. In America, the Rothschild empire was represented by companies like Kuhn, Loeb, and Co and it is likely, according to some researchers, that US companies such as J.P. Morgan, Speyer, and Lehman, were also controlled or greatly influenced by the Rothschilds. The British Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, was very close to the Rothschild family. They lent his government $ 5 million to buy a controlling stake in the Suez Canal in 1875. Disraeli's novel, Coningsby, is clearly based on the family's story. The character, Sidonia, in this extract, is really Nathan Rothschild:

"He arrived here [London] after the peace of Paris with his large capital. He staked all that he was worth on the Waterloo loan and the event made him one of the greatest capitalists in Europe ... He reaped the due reward of his sagacity. Europe did require money and Sidonia [Nathan] was ready to lend it to Europe. France wanted some, Austria more, Prussia a little, Russia a few million; Sidonia could furnish them all. The only country he avoided was Spain; he was too well acquainted with its resources.

...He established a brother or near relative in whom he could confide, in most of the principal capitals. He was lord and master of the money markets of the world and of course virtually lord and master of everything else. He literally held the revenues of Souhhern Italy in pawn and monarchs and ministers in all countries courted his advice and were guided by his suggestions. "


Or as the historian, John Reeves, put it in his work, The Rothschilds:

"Little could Mayer Amschel have anticipated that his sons would in after years come to exercise such an unbounded sway that the peace of nations would depend upon their nod; that the powerful control they exercised on the European money markets would enable them to pose as the arbiters of peace and war, since they could at their pleasure withhold or furnish the pecuniary means required to carry on a campaign.

But this, incredible as it may seem, was what their vast influence, combined with their enormous wealth and unlimited credit, enabled them to do, for no firms existed strong enough to oppose them for any length of time, or rash enough to take up a business which the Rothschilds had refused. To reach this exalted position, Mayer Amschel and his sons required the cooperation of the states, but, when once he had climbed over their backs and reached the height of his ambition, he was independent of all aid and could act with the greatest freedom, whilst the states remained in a suppliant attitude at his feet. "
(6)

The extent of Rothschild influence by now can hardly be overstated. When Nathan died, his eldest son, Lionel, took his place as the head of N. M. Rothschild. Lionel advanced massive loans to the British and American governments and others such as the Egyptians. This included a loan of around $80 million to Britain to finance the elite-engineered Crimean War in which tens of thousands died. Lionel also acted as agent to the Russian government for twenty years (7). He was succeeded by his eldest son, Nathan Mayer, who became the first Lord Rothschild when he was raised to the peerage and took his seat in the British House of Lords in 1885. The first Lord Rothschild went on to become the governor of the Bank of England, with untold power to influence the world financial system. The ‘Old Lady of Threadneedle Street' (as the Bank of England is called) has always been, and remains, an arm of the Global Elite. The Rothschild representatives across the world continued to manipulate events to expand their power and to serve a longer-term agenda which mirrored that of the Elite and Brotherhood: world domination.

I stress here that to highlight the part played by the Rothschilds is not to cast aspersions on Jewish people as a whole, the vast majority of whom have no idea what is happening and certainly would not support it if they did know. Many of the members of families I will name, like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and others, do not know the game plan, either. It is those who control those empires not everyone whose name is Rothschild, Rockefeller, or whatever. I believe that researchers over the years who have blamed the entire conspiracy on the Jewish people as a whole are seriously misguided; similarly, for Jewish organizations to deny that no Jewish person is working for the New World Order conspiracy is equally naive and allowing dogma or worse to blind them to reality. We are looking at a common thread - a lust for power and the All-Seeing Eye cult - which goes across all races.

A Global Elite banking network was created with central banks in each country working together to manipulate the system across Europe and the United States. This would later be coordinated from the Bank of International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, and a thirteen-man elite on the International Banking Commission in Geneva, Switzerland. You'll note that Switzerland is always left alone when Europe goes to war. This is why. It is the Global Elite financial center. The idea of a central bank in each country was another Elite inspiration. The first was the Bank of Amsterdam in 1609 and then followed the Bank of Hamburg (1619) and the Bank of Sweden (1661), chartered by the descendants of bankers in Genoa and Venice. These included the Warburgs of Hamburg, who descended from the Abraham del Banco family, the biggest bankers in Venice. The manipulators behind the Bank of Amsterdam were also behind the ‘Dutch’ William of Orange who took the British throne in 1689, a feat achieved by the maneuverings of the secret society called the Orange Order. The Bank of England soon followed, under the charter granted by William in 1694. Some researchers claim that all European monarchs have a connection back to William. (9) Resistance to the bank from members of Parliament was overcome when William took Britain into a costly war with the French. The need to raise money made the opposition succumb to the pressure to introduce the bank, which began to lend money which didn't exist to the British government. The fantastic profits it made as a result came from the pockets of the people through income tax, and the exploitation of even poorer people throughout the British Empire. The institution known as the National Debt (to the banks) was born. The Royal Prerogative for minting money was handed over to a committee which was also given the power to convert the basis of the country's wealth to gold, which the Elite controlled.

A leading part of the Global Elite at the top of the human pyramid is the group known as the Black Nobility, from where families like the Warburgs of Hamburg descended. These were at the forefront of the plan to put William of Orange on the British Throne and the creation of the money system as we know it. They originate from the Guelphs, also called the Neri, or Black Guelphs, and now the Black Nobility.` (10) They were the force behind the Nornmans, who conquered England in the Battle of Hastings, led by William the Conqueror in 1066. Later, when based in Genoa, Italy, the Black Nobility supported Robert Bruce in his conquest of Scotland and it was this same genetic line and secret society which ensured that William of Orange became King of England, Scotland and Ireland. (11) Through William, the Black Nobility created the Bank of England and the notorious East India Company rapidly expanded to capture Asia and the Far East for the British (Global Elite) and to become the biggest drug running operation the world had yet seen. The political and economic union of England and Scotland was designed to force Scotland into this spider's web of money lending and control. We have a United Kingdom all right - united in its subservience to the manipulated money system controlled by the few. The Elite bankers were now manipulating with ever greater influence across the world. They were involved in the American Civil War, in which they financed both sides. The London Rothschilds funded the North while the Paris Rothschilds funded the South. (12) President Abraham Lincoln also printed interest-free money, called ‘Greenbacks', to reduce the level of debt his government would face. This was potentially disastrous for the banks. If this had continued after the war and spread to other countries, the banks and the Elite would have lost their power. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, an agent of the House of Rothschild, according to some researchers. (13) After Lincoln's death, the printing of greenbacks was ended.

The efforts to form a central banking system in the United States were always highly controversial. Against opposition from two of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, the first US Central Bank was introduced, thanks to the manipulation of one of their colleagues, Alexander Hamilton, who ran the Bank of New York. He was secretly backed by the Bank of England and the Rothschild Empire, which were, in truth, one and the same. When George Washington, a high ranking Freemason, became President in 1789, he made Hamilton the Secretary to the Treasury. Within two years, Hamilton had secured his ambition with the creation of the US Central Bank, the Bank of the United States. As with the Bank of England, this was a private bank which now controlled the American economy. The bank caused mayhem, and riots erupted from the consequences of its policies. In the 1830s, President Andrew Jackson had the courage to take on the power of the Bank of the United States and he won. The first US Central Bank was no more. Another, however, was not long in coming.

может быть продолжено, если интересно...
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1. Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. X, p499.
2. George Armstrong, Rothschild's Money Trust, (1940) p22.
3. Eustace Mullins, The World Order, Our Secret Rulers, (Ezra Pound Institute of Civilisation, Staunton, USA, 1992) p7.
4. I have seen this quote attributed to later Rothschilds, also.
5. The Rothschilds, Financial Riders Of Nations, p167.
6. J. Reeves, The Rothschilds, p104-105.
7. Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, p501-502.
8. I say "Dutch", in fact he was formerly a German prince from the house of Nassau. Interestingly, another German prince would marry into the Dutch royal family in this century. That was Prince Bernhard, of which much more later.
9. The World Order, Our Secret Rulers, p25.
10. Ibid, p25.
11. Ibid p276.
12. Secret Societies, p122.
13. There is another train of thought which suggests that Lincoln was killed because he was revealing too many of the secrets of the Brotherhood societies of which he was a member.
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Ну, наконец-то! Раскрыли нам глаза. :roll: Какая новая и неожиданная теория. А ещё говорят что идеи Карла Маркса умерли. Да вот же, цветут и пахнут! :roll:

На наше счастье, со времён Карла Маркса "ненастоящим" деньгам было выдумано множество "настоящих" альтернатив. :umnik1: Из наиболее известных: продуктовые карточки и колхозные трудодни. Никакого обмана, никаких процентов, никаких банков, бирж и кредитов. Никакого делания богатства из воздуха. Сколько заработал, столько пайки и съел. Никто на тебе не наживётся. Жадные банкиры и апологеты Нового Мирового Порядка тихонько рыдают в сторонке, видя как трудящиеся выходят из под их контроля. :umnik1:

Верной дорогой идёте, товарищи! (с) :roll:
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Ну ведь опять мимо, впечатлительный Вы наш. Карл Маркс принадлежал к той же компании, о которой идет речь, и результат был спланирован, соответственно. Учите историю, милейший, 'сos "still those voices are calling from far away..."
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Елена wrote:Ну ведь опять мимо, впечатлительный Вы наш. Карл Маркс принадлежал к той же компании, о которой идет речь, и результат был спланирован, соответственно. Учите историю, милейший, 'сos "still those voices are calling from far away..."


Историю я знаю получше Вас. Явно получше.
Можно было бы поговорить на эту тему, однако я не люблю общаться в хамской манере, а Вы видимо по другому не привыкли. :?

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ShellBack wrote:Можно было бы поговорить на эту тему, однако я не люблю общаться в хамской манере, а Вы видимо по другому не привыкли. :?


Как то не очень сочетается с вашим же предыдущим сообщением.

ShellBack wrote:Ну, наконец-то! Раскрыли нам глаза. :roll: Какая новая и неожиданная теория. А ещё говорят что идеи Карла Маркса умерли. Да вот же, цветут и пахнут! :roll:
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DV wrote:Как то не очень сочетается с вашим же предыдущим сообщением.
ShellBack wrote:Ну, наконец-то! Раскрыли нам глаза. :roll: Какая новая и неожиданная теория. А ещё говорят что идеи Карла Маркса умерли. Да вот же, цветут и пахнут! :roll:
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Верной дорогой идёте, товарищи! (с) :roll:


Да просто очень знакомо звучит. Те кто маркистско-ленинскую политэкономию в инстиитуте не учил, может что-то новенькое и узнают.
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DV wrote:
ShellBack wrote:Можно было бы поговорить на эту тему, однако я не люблю общаться в хамской манере, а Вы видимо по другому не привыкли. :?


Как то не очень сочетается с вашим же предыдущим сообщением.

ShellBack wrote:Ну, наконец-то! Раскрыли нам глаза. :roll: Какая новая и неожиданная теория. А ещё говорят что идеи Карла Маркса умерли. Да вот же, цветут и пахнут! :roll:
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Верной дорогой идёте, товарищи! (с) :roll:


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Моя ирония относилась к авторам цитированной статьи, то есть к третьим лицам. Цитата была приведена as is, без комментариев. Если бы автор высказал собственные мысли от своего имени, я бы отвечал иначе.
А вот "Учите историю, милейший" я воспринимаю как неспровоцированный личный выпад. :nono#:

Не указывайте другим что им нужно делать и они не будут указывать куда вам надо пойти. (с) :umnik1:
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Елена, а золото и серебро развве не те же виртуальные ценности? Способ тиражирования только другой, более сложный.
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CTAC_P wrote:Елена, а золото и серебро развве не те же виртуальные ценности? Способ тиражирования только другой, более сложный.

Вот Маркс с вами не согласен. По его теории - золото и серебро это НЕ деньги в чистом виде, поскольку могут выполнять также функцию товара. Украшения там, использование в промышлености.
В общем - классики уже обо всем подумали. Ваше (и наше) дело - только все воплотить на практике. Ну и что, что один раз не получилось? Значит надо попробовать еще раз!
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Gennadiy wrote:
CTAC_P wrote:Елена, а золото и серебро развве не те же виртуальные ценности? Способ тиражирования только другой, более сложный.

Вот Маркс с вами не согласен. По его теории - золото и серебро это НЕ деньги в чистом виде, поскольку могут выполнять также функцию товара. Украшения там, использование в промышлености.
В общем - классики уже обо всем подумали. Ваше (и наше) дело - только все воплотить на практике. Ну и что, что один раз не получилось? Значит надо попробовать еще раз!

И бумажные деньги тоже. Помните, из КВН, по поводу того, является ли рубль ценной бумагой: в жизни каждого человека бывают моменты, когда любая бумажка становится ценной.
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http://lenta.ru/russia/2003/11/02/rothschild/

lenta.ra wrote:Лорд Джейкоб Ротшильд, представитель известной финансовой династии и президент организации Institute for Jewish Policy Research, является владельцем крупного пакета акций нефтяной компании "ЮКОС", сообщает московский корреспондент британского еженедельника The Sunday Times.


Руководство ЮКОСа, правда, уже назвало это "экзотическим слухом" и отказалось комментировать.

Елена wrote:может быть продолжено, если интересно...


Интересно, конечно же. Возможно, потому, что "маркистско-ленинскую политэкономию" я таки не изучал в институте.
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Gennadiy wrote:Вот Маркс с вами не согласен. По его теории - золото и серебро это НЕ деньги в чистом виде, поскольку могут выполнять также функцию товара. Украшения там, использование в промышлености.
В общем - классики уже обо всем подумали. Ваше (и наше) дело - только все воплотить на практике. Ну и что, что один раз не получилось? Значит надо попробовать еще раз!

Так их значит до компьютеров в чистом виде и небыло.. купюрами замечательно туалеты оклеивают
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Sergey_P wrote:...Так их значит до компьютеров в чистом виде и небыло..

А разве компьютеры что-то изменили?
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Это все замечательно... но лучше мне объясните одну вещь - я иногда натыкаюсь на сайтики, в которых рассказывается, что американский Federal Reserve (это что-то вроде Центробанка) - это один большой "FRAUD".

Вот к примеру, навскидку из гугла -
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/FED.html

THE FEDERAL RESERVE FRAUD

The first misconception that most people have is that the Federal Reserve Bank is a branch of the US government. IT IS NOT. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. Most people believe it is as American as the Constitution. THE FACT IS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS IT'S EXISTENCE. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to create money and regulate the value thereof, NOT A BUNCH OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS!
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The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud.


Я в этих делах слабо разбираюсь - может мне кто-нибудь объяснить, сколько там процентов правды?

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...THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY...

...Федеральную Резервную Систему возглавляет Правление Управляющих, со штаб квартирой в Вашингтоне. Каждый управляющий назначается Президентом США и утверждается Сенатом. Для ограничения власти Президента над Федеральной Резервной Системой и изолирования от политического давления , управляющие выбираются на 14 лет без права возобновления или продления срока....
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Sergey_P wrote:...Так их значит до компьютеров в чистом виде и небыло..

А разве компьютеры что-то изменили?

Запись в базе данных клеем не мажется.. с другой стороны распечатка баланса может радовать чей-то взляд :? :mrgreen:
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ESN wrote: А разве компьютеры что-то изменили?

Запись в базе данных клеем не мажется.. с другой стороны распечатка баланса может радовать чей-то взляд :? :mrgreen:

Так безнал по-любому изобрели раньше компютеров ;)
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Disclaimer: If you become easily angered by things out of your control, don't read! All well-thought-through opinions and other versions of 'money talk' in the events described below are highly welcome.

In 1902, the Rothschilds sent one of their agents, Paul Warburg, to America with his brother, Felix, to ‘rearrange' US banking to suit Rothschild and Elite interests. Another brother, Max Warburg, stayed at home in Frankfurt to run the family banking business there. After arriving in the USA, Paul Warburg married Nina Loeb (of the Rothschild controlled, Kuhn, Loeb, and Company) while Felix married Frieda Schiff, the daughter of Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb, and Co Hardly surprisingly, both brothers became partners in the company and Paul was given an annual salary of half a million dollars (in the early years of this century!) to prepare the ground for the imposition of the Federal Reserve System on the people of the United States. It was all arranged by the Rothschilds, probably even down to the Warburg's marriage partners. These banking and Elite families like to interbreed whenever possible. It keeps the genes up to scratch, you know, and keeps the money (control) in the family. When Jacob Schiff arrived in America to join Kuhn, Loeb, and Co, he married the daughter of Solomon Loeb. Jacob Schiff was to be one of the key manipulators in the first half of this century. The Schiff and Rothschild families were as one and shared the same house in Frankfurt in the days of Mayer Amschel. The Federal Reserve Bill became known as the 'Aldrich Bill' and it was Warburg and Aldrich who organized the covert meeting on Jekyl Island. Many years later, Frank Vanderlip, the Rockefellers' agent at the time, would say:

"Despite my views about the value to society of greater publicity for the affairs of corporations, there was an occasion, near the close of 1910, when I was as secretive - indeed furtive - as a conspirator ... I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyl Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System. " (15)

The Federal Reserve System is a cartel of private banks, of which the Bank of New York is the most powerful. To this day it controls the US economy and thereby affects all of our lives. Through its US offshoots and connections like J.P. Morgan and Kuhn, Loeb, and Co, the Rothschild Empire controlled the principal New York banks and, through them, the Bank of New York. This gave them control of the Federal Reserve System and the American economy. (16) This Federal Reserve cartel is nominally controlled by the government-appointed chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which is another way of saying the Elite control it. The cartel lends money to the US government and has thus ensured that the country - and therefore the people - are drowning in debt to the banks. By 1910, the behavior of the banks had made them deeply unpopular with the people. The Elite had to think of a way of persuading the public to accept a banking coup on the American nation while thinking the power of the banks was being curtailed. So when the bill the bankers had written was introduced by their front politicians they publicly and vehemently opposed it. This gave the impression that the bill was bad news for the banks and it was passed into law in 1913, in the belief that it curtailed the power of the money manipulators. It didn't. It gave them total control. Just to be safe, the Federal Reserve Bill was put before Congress shortly before Christmas, 1913, when many Congressmen were already at home with their families for the holiday.

Now the Elite controlled the US government's borrowing and interest rates, and it could create booms and busts whenever it wished. The way they introduced the Federal Income Tax was even more outrageous, although you have to admire their cheek. For this to be passed into law, it required the consent of at least thirty-six states because there had to be an amendment, the sixteenth, to the United States Constitution. Only two states agreed. In a democracy you would think that the bill would be ditched. Not so. The Secretary of State, Filander Knox, informed Congress that the necessary agreement had been achieved and Federal Income Tax became `law'. Or rather, in reality, it didn't...

The power over political and human events on this planet was increased by leaps and bounds as this funny money system expanded its grip on the world. This gave the Elite's bankers the power to manipulate wars and revolutions, almost at will, in league with other elements within the Brotherhood network, which expanded and became even more focused on its goals during the same period that the banking system emerged. Another branch of the Brotherhood was officially started by the German professor, Adam Weishaupt, on May 1st 1776, and this sought to infiltrate all the seats of power throughout Europe. It was called the Bavarian Illuminati. The term ‘Illuminati' means illuminated or enlightened ones and goes back to ancient times. Weishaupt's Illuminati was designed on classic Brotherhood lines with circles of apparently unconnected people who were, behind the scenes and without their knowledge, all manipulated and directed by the same controlling core at the center. He once said: "The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in its own name, but always covered by another name, another occupation". That was a superb summary of the Illuminati/Global Elite approach. Some researchers suggest that it was actually in 1770 that Weishaupt was asked to launch the Bavarian Illuminati by the Rothschilds. (17)

Certain societies plotted to destroy the European monarchies, either by replacing them with republics or, less often, by removing their power and leaving them as purely symbolic heads of state. A powerful monarch was OK if he or she supported Illuminati/Elite plans for the New World Order, but if they didn't, or if they refused to be manipulated, it acted as a serious block to the unfoldment of the plan. The manipulators could assassinate them and hope the replacement would play the game, but you couldn't keep doing that again and again. Much better to replace the monarchies with elected representatives of the people, who could be replaced every few years. If you can control the money and the media, you can largely control (a) who gets to the top in political parties and (b) whom the people elect into government. You give financial backing and use the society network within all political parties to manipulate your choice to the top; you activate your (controlled) media to advance the popularity of the one you want to win at election time, and to undermine his or her opponent. The illusion which is laughingly called democracy is a wonderful vehicle for the Global Elite. It was their creation and the last thing you can call it is democratic.

The French Revolution of 1789 was an Illuminati coup d'etat, the methods of which have been repeated over and over to replace undemocratic monarchies with undemocratic ‘people's parliaments'. The only real difference between these forms of rule was that one was clearly a dictatorship, while the other appeared to be freedom. When people are ruled by a dictator in whatever form, the time will arrive when the desire for a say in a country's affairs will grow within the people and forms of democracy will be demanded. The people living under a dictator, in other words, know they are living under a dictator and eventually they will rebel. The system that replaced the monarchies, the ‘phony democracies' as I call them, were designed to give the illusion of `people power' while structuring the system to ensure that the few could run the entire show. By сontroling events and elections via direct intervention, corruption, or media power, the Elite could pretty much be sure that their choices became the presidents, prime ministers, and the leading names in governments. People ask why those who get to the top in politics around the world are often either corrupt or incompetent. Well, now you know. They are meant to be. What's more, it is harder to encourage people to rebel against the tyranny of the phony democracies, because they are programmed to believe that they live in a real democracy. With the fall of monarchy power during the Illuminati-engineered revolutions, one form of dictatorship was replaced by another, but very few noticed...

If we take a brief look at how the French Revolution unfolded, it will show you the background strategy which the Elite and their Illuminati offshoot use all the time to create conflict and hoodwink the people. It began as usual with a manufactured economic crisis. A country and its people, are first brought to desperate straits by poverty and economic collapse. The manipulators create the circumstances in which public opinion says: "Something must be done!" Once that stage has been achieved (by economic crisis, or wars, or whatever) you step forward in the guise of standing up for the people, and offer the ‘solutions' to the problems they themselves have created in the first place. Those ‘solutions' will be precisely the measures you wanted to happen all along, as part of the journey to the Better Future. It is the problem-reaction-solution scenario. In this case, they wanted the people of France to overturn the monarchy, and they sowed the seeds of revolt by their age old method of poverty and debt. In his book, Napoleon: The Man, McNair Wilson says of his time:

"A change of a fundamental kind had taken place in the economic structure of Europe whereby the old basis had ceased to be wealth measured in lands, crops, herds and minerals; but a new standard had now been introduced, namely, a form of money to which the title `credit' had been given." (18.)

Debts were measured in gold or silver, neither of which France produced. Therefore the debts were bound to grow and become even more impossible to pay. The Elite had people on the inside as usual, including one in the key position of chief finance minister to King Louis. His name was Necker, a man who claimed to be a Swiss of German extraction. McNair Wilson wrote of him: "Necker had forced his way into the King's Treasury as a representative of the debt system and owing allegiance to that system". Necker had a reputation of being a daring and unscrupulous speculator before joining the King's administration and, after four years in the treasury, he had manipulated the French finances to add another $200 million to the national debt." With the French economy in tatters and the people growing restless in their poverty, the Elite moved into stage two and began the process of stimulating revolution. They did this through the Freemasonry network.

By 1730, Freemasonry had been introduced to France from England and had attracted notable names to its ranks, such as Phillipe Egalite, the Duke of Chartres, and the Duke of Orleans, who became a Grand Master. The Brotherhood used such people and others to establish the first foothold of the revolution, which was more moderate in its demands. Egalite was convinced that he would be made king of a democratic state once the existing king and queen had been overthrown. He had little idea of the scale of bloodletting that was to follow. It was the same with Lafayette, another revolutionary and friend of Benjamin Franklin. Lafayette wanted to see a democratic monarchy introduced under Louis, the present king. But these people were just used as vehicles to kick start the revolutionary fervor. The real manipulators knew exactly the sort of revolution it was intended to be. Once Egalite had served his purpose he was sent to the guillotine. Many different people are misled by the Illuminati manipulators to make sure they play their part in the overall plan, the true agenda of which is kept secret from them. Once they have done their job, they are discarded. Those reading this who are on the lower levels of the Brotherhood ladder might ponder deeply on this for their own sake, if not for that of others.

Another frontman was the Marquis de Mirabeau. He is known to have been financed by the German, Moses Mendelssohn, a member of the Illuminati. (21) Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman names Mendelssohn as a key manipulator for an inner clique which he believes has been seeking to destroy Judaism and all religion.(22) He says that this clique is a follower of what he, too, calls the All-Seeing Eye cult. He links this group to the House of Rothschild and says the cult was the force behind the French Revolution. Mendelssohn started the Illuminati front, the Haskala movement in 1776 - the year the Bavarian Illuminati was launched. Another figure close to Mendelssohn was the Illuminati member, Friedrich Nicholai. Rabbi Antelman described Mendelssohn as a "con man" who plotted the demise of Judaism while claiming to be a promoter of the religion and the "race". This is precisely what has happened since and continues today. The Freemasonry lodges in France, particularly those under the control of the Grand Orient form of the order, were infiltrated by Illuminati manipulators and used to fire the revolution. In 1786, Mirabeau formed an Illuminati lodge at a meeting at the Jacobin College in Paris. They became known as the Jacobins. In the same year, another All-Seeing Eye Illuminati group called the Frankists (after Jacob Franks) was created in Frankfurt. One of its leading lights was Michael Hess, an employee of Mayer Amschel Rothschild. These two groups, the Jacobins and the Frankists, were at the heart of the French Revolution.

The plan was openly revealed when a member of Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati was struck by lightning and killed at Ratisbon while carrying secret papers. These revealed the plans for world revolution and the New World Order and they had a remarkable resemblance to the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, of which more shortly.(23) The Bavarian government had the headquarters of the Illuminati searched. Much more information was found and the French authorities were told of the plan. But events in France had by now reached such a momentum that nothing could stop them. By 1789, more than 2,000 Freemasonry lodges had affiliated with the Grand Orient organization which, in turn, was controlled by the Illuminati. They were, themselves, controlled by the Global Elite.

The central organization of the revolution and the printing and distribution of propaganda was based at the Palais Royal, the home of Egalite. He was so in debt to the money lenders that he had to sign over his palace and estates to them. Part of the mind manipulation in any Elite operation is the character assassination of the opposition. One such example in the French Revolution was the famous diamond necklace ‘bought' by the Queen, Marie Antionette. She had been warned about Freemasonry by her sister in Austria some years before, but the advice went unheeded. She had informed her sister that in France, Freemasonry was open and ‘everyone knows all'. The ‘open' Freemasons were actually planning a bloodbath at the guillotine as she wrote those words. Bitterness with the monarchy in France was further fuelled when the propaganda machine announced that the Queen had bought a diamond necklace for a quarter of a million pounds when, in truth, it had been ordered without her knowledge by an agent of the Brotherhood, a close associate of Adam Weishaupt. This was political dynamite at a time of such poverty in France.

This ‘peoples' revolution continued to discard its stooges and frontmen as each new layer of violence unfurled. Others were introduced like Danton, Marat, and Robespierre, who would also be removed once they had been used to their full potential. Mobs were organized to go out onto the streets and stimulate more violence and unrest. In September 1792, the `September massacres' came when 8,000 people were killed in the prisons of Paris alone, in the name of a revolution which was supposed to be about `freedom' from royal tyranny. At its core, the revolution wasn't even organized by French people. As Sir Walter Scott said in his Life Of Napoleon: "The principal leaders of the ... [revolution] ... seem to have been foreigners" .(25) Robespierre was said to be the leading light of the revolution as it gathered pace, but this was just another smokescreen. In his book, The Life Of Robespierre, G. Renier, says:

"On the 28th July, 1794, Robespierre made a long speech against ultra terrorists... uttering vague general accusations. 'I dare not name them at this moment and in this place. I cannot bring myself entirely to tear asunder the veil that covers this profound mystery of antiquity. But I can affirm most positively that among the authors of this plot are agents of that system of corruption and extravagance, the most powerful of all the means invented by foreigners for the undoing of the Republic; I mean the impure apostles of atheism and the immorality that is at its base.' (26)

At 2 am that night, Robespierre was shot and the next day he was taken to the guillotine. He was getting too close to speaking the truth about the `glorious' French Revolution, and in the strange world of the Illuminati/Elite, that meant he had to go. From the French Revolution we can see the elements of manipulated wars and revolutions that are common to all the `peoples' uprisings' in Europe which ousted the monarchies and to conflicts around the world up to the present day. These are: the financial crisis to create suffering and the desire for change ("Something must be done"); the duping of influential people who support the ‘cause' without realizing the real agenda; the dumping of these people when they have served their purpose; the mass propaganda to exploit the public's natural sense of injustice, to disinform, and to lead opinion in the desired direction; the lies told about opponents of the plan and the assassination of their character to the point where people have great hatred for them; the organization of 'rent-a-mob' to cause agitation and encourage others to overthrow the established order; and, finally, the installation of a phony democracy or alternative dictatorship.

Look at the background of any revolution or war and you will see most, usually all, of these methods at work. Divide and rule, control of the flow of information, secret manipulation, and conflict. Over the last three hundred thousand years or so, all these methods of control can be seen on Earth. One is merely another level of the other. Revolution and war continued throughout Europe during the nineteenth century, much of it coordinated by Lord Palmerston, the British Prime Minister, who directed the policies of his country to carry out the designs of the Elite. Lord Palmerston was the Grand Patriach or Grand Master of Grand Orient Freemasonry - another name for the Illuminati. It was Palmerston who was prime minister during the 'opium wars' when Britain forced the Chinese to import opium, a policy which addicted the population and made them easy to control. One result was the British ownership of Hong Kong, from where Britain ran its drug trade and, with the Americans and Chinese, still does.

There was another ambition on the Global Elite agenda during this period... In the very late 1800s, a controversial document came to light called the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. I call them the Illuminati Protocols. Some say they were a forgery made public only to discredit Jews, and I use the term 'Illuminati Protocols' to get away from the Jewish emphasis. If they were a forgery, something that is quite possible, what were they a forgery of, and by whom? The authors of the best-selling book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, conclude that the original Protocols were indeed authentic. They suggest that they were the work of an elite group called The Priory of Sion, the inner, controlling, core of the Knights Templars.(26) They believe that this original document was changed to make it appear as a Jewish plot. I certainly would not dismiss such a conclusion. It is the manipulation they describe that interests me, not who has been blamed for it. I believe their origin lies with the Illuminati, as does Rabbi Antelman. Whatever the arguments, one fact cannot be denied, given the hindsight of the last 100 years. The Protocols, from wherever they came, were a quite stunning prophecy of what has happened in the twentieth century in terms of wars and the manipulation. Whoever wrote them sure as heck knew what the game plan was. One protocol speaks of the way the manipulators intended to destroy the idea of God in as many human minds as possible:

`It is with this object in view that we are constantly, by means of our press, arousing a blind confidence in these [scientific] theories. The intellectuals of the Goyim [Gentiles] will puff themselves up with their knowledge and without any logical verification of it will put into effect all the information available from science, which our agentur specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism... "
Protocol 2

It is indispensable to undermine all faith, to tear out of the minds of the Goyim the very principle of Godhead and the spirit, and to put into its place, arithmetical calculations and material needs."
Protocol 4


Darwinism, of course, refers to Charles Darwin, who suggested in the mid-1800s that the potential of the mind is developed by genetic inheritance. This is patent nonsense, but it did provide the justification for the eugenics (racial purity) movement that would follow and lead both to Adolf Hitler and the population control policies of today. His most famous theory, that of the survival of the fittest, didn't even appear in the first four editions of his work, Origin Of Species. He lifted it from the writings of a contemporary, Herbert Spencer. The word ‘evolution' did not appear until the sixth edition, in 1872. I understand that even Darwin didn't believe his theory by the end of his life. Was Darwin but another stooge?

A small group of people known as the Lunar Society in Birmingham, England, was significant in this. Researchers into the background of the Lunar Society have shown that it mirrored (with remarkable accuracy) a group called the Invisible College, described in the Francis Bacon work, The New Atlantis. Among its members were Benjamin Franklin, one of the founders of the United States and close associate of French revolutionaries, and ...Erasmus Darwin, the grandfather of Charles Darwin. What a coincidence! Another member of the Lunar Society was the Unitarian, Josiah Wedgwood, founder of the famous pottery, and his daughter was to become the mother of Charles Darwin after she married Dr Robert Darwin, the son of Erasmus Darwin. Nothing like keeping it in the family!

Six of the Lunar Society's members were educated at Edinburgh University, as was Charles Darwin. The society was a revolutionary organization which supported the overthrowing of the monarchies and the undermining of the human belief system. Benjamin Franklin became a sort of shuttle `diplomat' for the cause, in the same way that Henry Kissinger would come to be in the second half of this century. I cannot recommend too highly the book by the Canadian scientist and researcher, Ian T. Taylor, called In The Minds Of Men: Darwin And The New World Order. This reveals the story of how modern theory was manufactured and sold as truth. With detailed, documented evidence, Taylor dismantles the edifice of the scientific claims, and manipulation. Every student of science would benefit enormously from reading it.

But, of course, most people don't read such books. They go through the schools and university system and absorb all the accepted claptrap that originates from Darwin's time. This affects the way many of them see themselves and life in general, and they create that reality in the world around them. It is a world of "What's the point? We are only cosmic accidents after all, and life is about the survival of the fittest. No room for sentiment; it's everyone for themselves". A movement which has emerged from the Darwin view of life is called Humanism, another vehicle for manipulation, even though the overwhelming majority of its advocates will not realize it.

In our brief history of the conspiracy, we are now back in the early years of the twentieth century. The banking and financial system was in place, this-world-is-all-there-is science was introduced, and through engineered revolution, a series of phony democracies was installed. In their brilliant minds the time was right to launch the next stage on the road to the Better Future. It was time to go global. (And the mother-Russia was ahead...)

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14. The title `Colonel' was purely honorary. He never actually served.
15. Saturday Evening Post, February 9, 1935; p. 25.
16. George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, OMNI Publications, London, 1940; p. 41.
17. D.W.Pike, Secret Societies, Oxford University Press, 1939; p109.
18. McNair Wilson, Napoleon: The Man, London, UK John Murray 1927; p38.
19. Captain A.H.M. Ramsey, The Nameless War. Omni Publications, London, 1952; p. 25.
20. Ibid p25.
21. The Nameless War, p26.
22. Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman, To Eliminate The Opiate, Zahavia Ltd., New York-Tel Aviv, 1974.
23. Secret Societies, p. 110-112.
24 The Nameless War, p. 29.
25. Walter Scott, The Life Of Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor Of The French With A Preliminary View Of The French Revolution, UK, A & W Galignani, 1828; p. 33.
26. Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Jonathan Cape, London, 1982; p.198-203.
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Ну и как такое может быть?

It is reckoned that on average, for every $1,400 a bank receives from customers, it lends (and charges interest upon) at least $14,000!
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Kastet wrote:Ну и как такое может быть?

It is reckoned that on average, for every $1,400 a bank receives from customers, it lends (and charges interest upon) at least $14,000!

В протоколах финансовых мудрецов все может быть :umnik1:
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Елена wrote:The Federal Reserve System is a cartel of private banks, of which the Bank of New York is the most powerful. To this day it controls the US economy and thereby affects all of our lives. ...This Federal Reserve cartel is nominally controlled by the government-appointed chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which is another way of saying the Elite control it.
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Well...:wink: to be more accurate.
The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office....The other five members of the FOMC are Reserve Bank presidents, one of whom is the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
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Каприкорн, уважаемый, всё верно. Вы только забыли упомянуть в каком году и почему произошли эти изменения, а также кто эти назначенные правительством люди.
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Kastet wrote:Ну и как такое может быть?
It is reckoned that on average, for every $1,400 a bank receives from customers, it lends (and charges interest upon) at least $14,000!

Оч. просто - банковский мультипликатор.
Man1 кладет в банк $10.
Из них Банк1 дает $9 to Man2 в кредит, на который Man2 купит у Man3 something.
Man3 положит эти $9 в Банк2, который выдаст $8 в кредит to Man4, на который Man4 купит у Man5 something.
Т.е. на $10 от Man1 уже куплено товара на $17.

И т.д. по цепочке.
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Елена wrote: а также кто эти назначенные правительством люди.

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ESN wrote:
Kastet wrote:Ну и как такое может быть?
It is reckoned that on average, for every $1,400 a bank receives from customers, it lends (and charges interest upon) at least $14,000!

Оч. просто - банковский мультипликатор.
Man1 кладет в банк $10.
Из них Банк1 дает $9 to Man2 в кредит, на который Man2 купит у Man3 something.
Man3 положит эти $9 в Банк2, который выдаст $8 в кредит to Man4, на который Man4 купит у Man5 something.
Т.е. на $10 от Man1 уже куплено товара на $17.

И т.д. по цепочке.

Допостим, для простоты, что у нас один банк, Illuminati Bancorp.

Деньги в банк положили Man1 $10, Man3 $9, Man5 $8, .......
Деньги взяли в долг Man2 $9, Man4 $8, Man6 $7, .......


Итого, за три итерации в банк положено $27, выдано в долг (и получено интереса с) $24.

А теперь сравните:
The plan for the New World Order and global control moved into a new phase with the emergence of `funny money'. This is the process by which banks lend money that doesn't exist (credit) and charge you interest on it. .....

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