(AP) Military payroll records that could have more fully documented President Bush's whereabouts during his service in the Texas Air National Guard in the Vietnam war era were inadvertently destroyed, according to the Pentagon.
MaxSt wrote:Ну например, могло бы оказаться, что он на год от службы "закосил".
MaxSt.
CBI wrote:Не просто "закосил", а самовольно покинул место прохождения службы на длительный срок. Дезертир одним словом.
DVинутый wrote:CBI wrote:Не просто "закосил", а самовольно покинул место прохождения службы на длительный срок. Дезертир одним словом.
Ну эт громко сказано
Место прохождения службы национальной гвардии , duty station,
видит своих подопечных всего пару раз в год.
National Guard - это помойка.
Была, есть и будет.
Бардак там царит жуткий.
:You still have not answered the questions surrounding your National Guard "service." Let me repeat them as simply as I can for you (all of them based on the investigative work of the Associated Press and the Boston Globe):
1. How were you able to jump ahead of 500 other applicants to get into the Texas Air National Guard, thus guaranteeing you would not have to go to Vietnam? What calls did your father (who was then a United States Congressman representing Texas) make on your behalf for you to get this assignment?
2. Why were you grounded (not allowed to fly) after you either failed your physical or failed to take it in July 1972? Was there a reason you were afraid to take the physical? Or, did you take it and not pass it? If so, why didn't you pass it? Was it the urine test? The records show that, after the Guard spent years and lots of money training you to be a pilot, you never flew for the rest of your time in the Guard. Why?
3. Can you produce one person who can verify that he served with you in the Guard during the year that your Texas commanders said you did not show up? Why have you failed to bring forth anyone who served with you in the Guard while you were in Alabama? Why hasn't ONE SINGLE PERSON come forward?
4. Can you tell us what you did when you claim to have shown up in Alabama for Guard duty? What were your duties? You were grounded, so what did they have you do instead?
5. Where are the sign-up sheets that would have your name and service number on them for each weekend you showed up? Aaron Brown on CNN told us how, when he was in the reserves, he had to sign in each time he reported, and his guest from the Washington Post said, that's right, and there would be "four copies of that record" in the files of various agencies. Will you ask those agencies to release those records?
6. If you were in fact paid for that time when you apparently went AWOL, will you authorize the IRS to release your 1972-73 tax returns?
7. How did you get an honorable discharge? What strings were pulled? Who called who?
DVинутый wrote:CBI wrote:На вопросы о прохождении службы Бушем пока нет удовлетворительных ответов от династии Бушей
А не в чем Бушу оправдываться.
Да, зевнул он медкомиссию и понёс за это
наказание - его сняли с довольствия.
О дезертирстве здесь и речи быть не может -
Буш в то время имел inactive статус.
, как уже было показано ранее в данном разделе:
DVинутый wrote:Да, зевнул он медкомиссию и понёс за это
наказание - его сняли с довольствия.
DVинутый wrote:MaxSt wrote:Если бы так все было просто, что ж он не прояснил ситуацию с медкомиссией до сих пор?
Буш поступает правильно, не ввязываясь в
доказательство теоремы о Верблюде.
Он имеет свой Honorable Discharge.
Period
DVинутый wrote:Он имеет свой Honorable Discharge.
Period
Doesn't the fact that he got an honorable discharge indicate that he served honorably?
No. Radio talk show host Don Imus told listeners about getting in trouble, including punching a sergeant, while in the Marines. His superiors told him they'd give him an honorable discharge on one condition - that he promise not to re-enlist. Sometimes, Imus points out, honorable discharges are given just to get rid of people. John Allen Mohammed, currently on trial for sniper shootings around Washington, was disciplined numerous times while in the National Guard, including several days in prison for assault. He, too, received an honorable discharge.
MaxSt wrote:
Radio talk show host Don Imus told listeners about getting in trouble, including punching a sergeant, while in the Marines. His superiors told him they'd give him an honorable discharge on one condition - that he promise not to re-enlist.
Sometimes, Imus points out, honorable discharges are given just to get rid of people.
MaxSt wrote:Сказал бы все как есть, расставил точки над "и" - пожурили бы его неделю, простили бы за давностью лет и к выборам забыли бы уже. Однако этого до сих пор не случилось. Видимо есть, что скрывать.
MaxSt.
DVинутый wrote:MaxSt wrote:
Radio talk show host Don Imus told listeners about getting in trouble, including punching a sergeant, while in the Marines. His superiors told him they'd give him an honorable discharge on one condition - that he promise not to re-enlist.
Что ж, этот Дон такими баснями себе на хлеб зарабатывает.
MaxSt wrote:Любопытно, что вы вырезали тот кусок цитаты. где про John Allen Mohammed говорится. Потому что в этом случае сложнее придумать отмазки типа "на хлеб зарабатывает"?
MaxSt wrote:А тем, у кого есть волосатая лапа, как у Буша, еще быстрее все амнистируют.
DVинутый wrote:Дык не доказал пока никто этого
DVинутый wrote:Плюс тогда шла вьетнамская война - за дезертирство или
попытки уклонения от службы очень строго наказывали.
MaxSt wrote:Причем причину этого долго искать не надо. Достаточно обратить внимание на заголовок топика.
Тех, у кого нет волосатой лапы.
По крайней мере то, что он попал в Texas Air National Guard
по блату - доказанный факт.
DVинутый wrote:Эта "утка" - незамысловатый репеллент для настырных журналистов.
"President Bush's payroll records for those two quarters were among the records destroyed," wrote C.Y. Talbott, of the Pentagon's Freedom of Information and Security Review section. "Searches for back-up paper copies of the missing records were unsuccessful."
DVинутый wrote:Доказанный кем?
The waiting list for the Guard at that time was extremely long, but there have been charges that men from influential families were put to the top of the list
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Ben Barnes, the former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, confirmed under oath that he called the head of the Texas Air National Guard, Brig. General James Rose, to recommend Bush for a pilot spot at the request of Bush family friend Sidney Adger. Former Texas legislator Jake Johnson has stated that before he died General Rose told Johnson that he had been responsible for Bush's acceptance into the Guard.
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It has been reported that Bush jumped to the top of a list of over 500 applicants for the position despite receiving the minimum passing score (25) on the pilot entrance aptitude test and listing no other qualifications.
