CAMERON: Thanks, Brit.
Senator McCain, it's been some time since the first debate question on foreign policy was about Russia and not the Middle East. But let's do that.
Vladimir Putin has announced just in the last 24 hours that he plans a new, quote, grandiose, nuclear weapons program to counter the U.S. missile defense system. President Bush just recently described President Putin as wily.
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Are we headed back to a new Cold War, or has the Bush administration been naive in dealing with Mr. Putin?
MCCAIN: I don't know about naive, but I do know that when I looked into Mr. Putin's eyes, I saw three letters: a K, a G and a B.
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And I'm not saying we will have a return of the Cold War, because Russia doesn't have the kind of capabilities, the territory nor other things. But have no doubt, the problems they are causing us are severe.
And the United Nations Security Council assisting Iran as they continue to develop nuclear weapons, as he continues to consolidate power as he attempts to restore the old Russian empire.
MCCAIN: And he bullies his neighbors and he wants to get a control of the energy supply of Western Europe.
This is a dangerous person. And he has to understand that there's a cost to some of his actions.
And the first thing I would do is make sure that we have a missile defense system in place in Czechoslovakia and Poland, and I don't care what his objections are to it.
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And he's going to cause us to set up a league of democracies to address issues from Darfur to Burma to Iran and others, because he and the Chinese are blocking meaningful action to keep us in a peaceful world in the United Nations.
It's going to be some tough times ahead.
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CAMERON: Mayor Giuliani, do you agree with the idea that now is the time to start working with Russia on missile security?
GIULIANI: You know, I think now is the time to make it clear to Putin that America can speak softly and carry a big stick. We want to engage...
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We want to engage Russia. We want to continue to commercially engage them.
GIULIANI: But at the same time, the senator is absolutely right; we should move as quickly as we can to build missile defense.
I think this would be a heck of a good time to expand NATO. NATO needs a little revitalization. I think we could look to countries like Australia; we could look to Japan; we could look to expand it, geographically.
It's certainly the time to make sure we shore up our relationships with the Eastern European countries that have emerged into being free market countries, democracies.
Ukraine isn't quite there yet. Ukraine is in a struggle, internally. They need us. They need us to support them to -- they'd be a good hedge against Russia.
And at the same time, I think we should make it very, very clear that we understand that we can both engage a country, commercially, like we are doing with Russia, or at the same time, we can be very, very firm in our own defense.
Ronald Reagan gave us the best answer to how to deal with these situations.
GIULIANI: The answer is a very, very strong military that no other country on earth would ever consider challenging.
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According to Gorbachev, in his book, he says that Ronald Reagan spent the Soviets out of existence. Right now, an increase in military spending, increasing the size of our military in all aspects in a sensible way, would send a heck of a signal both to Russia and to China to not think about challenging us down the road.
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