А почему американцы не плачут об отсутствии оппозиции?

ALK · Post by **ALK** » 31 Dec 2003 02:52

Balder wrote:Ok. sterhus, let's imagine that you got a really good job offer from China (let's say executive position with $500k/year) and you moved to China. Will you consider China as "the greatest, freest, and most decent society in existence, an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism"?

This one is easy. I'd never accepted such an offer. Mainly because I do not consider China a disent country to live in, and the same goes for a lot of other countries, inlcluding Russia. This is, of cause, my personal opinion, but most of desisions in my life I make based on my personal opinion.

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 02:53

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:Ключевым пунтом является то, что человек сам выбирает, куда ему ехать.

Ok. sterhus, let's imagine that you got a really good job offer from China (let's say executive position with $500k/year) and you moved to China. Will you consider China as "the greatest, freest, and most decent society in existence, an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism"?

Money is the only criterion for you???

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 02:55

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Beseder wrote: . Однако, машину и дом и еду и билеты человек тоже сам себе выбирает. И если Вы выбираете не "greatest", то не мазохист ли Вы?

Нет. Человек выбирает себе профессию.
Средний уровень оплаты в уже выбранной профессии от него не зависит.

It means you have to choose the most paid profession, otherwise you are insane or a masohist
....

It cannot be excuse. Or or could be... for masohist

ONLY if your ONLY criterion is money.
Otherwise your logic does not work.
You know, people choose countries and professions not only by this criterion.

HomeZombi · Post by **HomeZombi** » 31 Dec 2003 03:01

ALK wrote:

This one is easy. I'd never accepted such an offer. Mainly because I do not consider China a disent country to live in

Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country? Come on, do not lie to yourself. If you've lived in America, you will not resist the offer.[/b]

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:02

HomeZombi wrote:ALK wrote:
This one is easy. I'd never accepted such an offer. Mainly because I do not consider China a disent country to live in

Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country?

Nope.

ALK · Post by **ALK** » 31 Dec 2003 03:07

HomeZombi wrote:Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country? Come on, do not lie to yourself. If you've lived in America, you will not resist the offer.[/b]

За $2 mil/year - поеду без семьи на один год, потому как после этого я смогу уже не работать, если мне так захочется (по моим подсчетам для этого требуется $1.5 mil). Моего мнения о Китае это не изменит. В отличие от меня, мое мнение не продается. :nono#:

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:10

ALK wrote:
HomeZombi wrote:Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country? Come on, do not lie to yourself. If you've lived in America, you will not resist the offer.[/b]

За $2 mil/year - поеду без семьи на один год, потому как после этого я смогу уже не работать, если мне так захочется (по моим подсчетам для этого требуется $1.5 mil). Моего мнения о Китае это не изменит.

А, так речь не идет о ехать туда жить?
Тогда на год съезжу - если у меня будет при этом американское гражданство.

В отличие от меня, мое мнение не продается.

Отлично сказано

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:17

sterhus wrote:
ALK wrote:
HomeZombi wrote:Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country? Come on, do not lie to yourself. If you've lived in America, you will not resist the offer.[/b]

За $2 mil/year - поеду без семьи на один год, потому как после этого я смогу уже не работать, если мне так захочется (по моим подсчетам для этого требуется $1.5 mil). Моего мнения о Китае это не изменит.

А, так речь не идет о ехать туда жить?
Тогда на год съезжу - если у меня будет при этом американское гражданство.

Hold on. You just told us that you would never accepted such offer.

sterhus wrote:
В отличие от меня, мое мнение не продается.

Отлично сказано

Yeah. I agree. But why you do not respect our opinion and consider us as masohists?

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:21

ALK wrote:
HomeZombi wrote:Wouldn't you? So if we raise the bar to 2 million/year, doesn't it make China a little more disent country? Come on, do not lie to yourself. If you've lived in America, you will not resist the offer.[/b]

За $2 mil/year - поеду без семьи на один год, потому как после этого я смогу уже не работать, если мне так захочется (по моим подсчетам для этого требуется $1.5 mil). Моего мнения о Китае это не изменит. В отличие от меня, мое мнение не продается.

Ok. Let's imagine: you lost your job in the middle of recession. You have to pay mortgages, loans, support family, etc. You have $100k/year offer from China Telecom. Will you accept the offer? Alternative: to loose you house, for instance.

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:24

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:А, так речь не идет о ехать туда жить?
Тогда на год съезжу - если у меня будет при этом американское гражданство.

Hold on. You just told us that you would never accepted such offer.

I thought we were talking about live in China, not work in China.
Please, read carefully.

sterhus wrote:[Отлично сказано

Yeah. I agree. But why you do not respect our opinion and consider us as masohists?

I am sorry, I don't get it.
Are you here, in US, to work or to live?

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:24

sterhus wrote:ONLY if your ONLY criterion is money.
Otherwise your logic does not work.
You know, people choose countries and professions not only by this criterion.

I have chosen America (may be temporally) ONLY because of money. And you?

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:26

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:ONLY if your ONLY criterion is money.
Otherwise your logic does not work.
You know, people choose countries and professions not only by this criterion.

I have chosen America (may be temporally) ONLY because of money. And you?

And I have not.
But you have to decide is it temporally or not.
If it is not temporally and only for money...
I am sorry for you one more time.

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:26

sterhus wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:[Отлично сказано

Yeah. I agree. But why you do not respect our opinion and consider us as masohists?

I am sorry, I don't get it.
Are you here, in US, to work or to live?

Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:28

Balder wrote:
Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

For how long?
Depends on what?

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:29

sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:ONLY if your ONLY criterion is money.
Otherwise your logic does not work.
You know, people choose countries and professions not only by this criterion.

I have chosen America (may be temporally) ONLY because of money. And you?

And I have not.
But you have to decide is it temporally or not.
If it is not temporally and only for money...
I am sorry for you one more time.

Can you explain why you are sorry for me? :mrgreen:

I'm not sorry for myself, I feel myself good.

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:30

sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

For how long?
Depends on what?

I do not think I have to tell you it. Ok?

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:30

Balder wrote:
I'm not sorry for myself, I feel myself good.

For now.
Ask any shrink. I do not provide such service for free.
(It's all if you will stay here forever).

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:31

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

For how long?
Depends on what?

I do not think I have to tell you it. Ok?

OK.
And here why I am sorry for you.

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:32

sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:
I'm not sorry for myself, I feel myself good.

For now.
Ask any shrink. I do not provide such service for free.
(It's all if you will stay here forever).

I told you I feel myself preety good. I do not need a shrink. You probably need :mrgreen:

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:33

sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

For how long?
Depends on what?

I do not think I have to tell you it. Ok?

OK.
And here why I am sorry for you.

You do not think you have to tell why you're sorry for me? :mrgreen:

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:36

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:
Balder wrote:Right now - to work. Probably I will return back to Russia. It depends.

For how long?
Depends on what?

I do not think I have to tell you it. Ok?

OK.
And here why I am sorry for you.

You do not think you have to tell why you're sorry for me?

Nope. Read one more time.
You live in a country that you hate, you do not know for how long you will live here and what it depends on.
Who needs a shrink here?

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:41

sterhus wrote:You live in a country that you hate,

You are mistaken one more time: I do not hate America. I like it, but I do not consider America as the greatest society in the world. Do you see the difference?

sterhus wrote:you do not know for how long you will live here and what it depends on.
Who needs a shrink here?

Definitely not me

tengiz · Post by **tengiz** » 31 Dec 2003 03:42

Balder wrote:I feel myself good.

Balder, оффтопик: на всякий случай, если Вы не знаете - то, что Вы написали по-английски звучит не вполне прилично. Вас могут неправильно понять.

Balder · Post by **Balder** » 31 Dec 2003 03:44

tengiz wrote:
Balder wrote:I feel myself good.

Balder, оффтопик: на всякий случай, если Вы не знаете - то, что Вы написали по-английски звучит не вполне прилично. Вам могут неправильно понять.

yeah:) "to feel myself" means "to touch myself" sorry for fast typing

sterhus · Post by **sterhus** » 31 Dec 2003 03:51

Balder wrote:
sterhus wrote:You live in a country that you hate,

You are mistaken one more time: I do not hate America. I like it, but I do not consider America as the greatest society in the world. Do you see the difference?

Ok.

"You cannot afford to live in a country that you consider as the greatest society in the world, or in other words, in a country that you like. Blah-blah-blah..."

BTW, what country you consider " as the greatest society in the world"?